London's Islamic Mayor tells Migrants not to assimilate.

Started by Politico2 pages

Originally posted by Stigma
Cool. Which part of London btw? Central London is great! First time I went there and I had a good luck to see the Queen few feet away as she was attending some celebration in a church. I also stayed for some time in West London, closer to Heathrow.

I've actually seen the whole tube stops with signs in English crossed out and phrases in Arabic written in spray paint.

There were also areas that my friends warned me not to go into because they are "taken over" by the Muslims and violence against non-Muslism is common. I have a few stories in mind that come from friends who are white and non-white, but all non-Muslim.

Indeed, given that some of those friends were Hindus or Latin Americans it made me realize that it's not only a problem of Muslims targetting people who are white, but it's an ideological problem that Islam imposes on other cultures.

Anyways.... I hear North England is pretty rainy 🙂

Is it true UK is building a wall in France?

Originally posted by Stigma
Cool. Which part of London btw? Central London is great! First time I went there and I had a good luck to see the Queen few feet away as she was attending some celebration in a church. I also stayed for some time in West London, closer to Heathrow.

I've actually seen the whole tube stops with signs in English crossed out and phrases in Arabic written in spray paint.

There were also areas that my friends warned me not to go into because they are "taken over" by the Muslims and violence against non-Muslism is common. I have a few stories in mind that come from friends who are white and non-white, but all non-Muslim.

Indeed, given that some of those friends were Hindus or Latin Americans it made me realize that it's not only a problem of Muslims targetting people who are white, but it's an ideological problem that Islam imposes on other cultures.

Anyways.... I hear North England is pretty rainy 🙂

I lived in Camden, which has seen some major changes in the years that I've left (I moved up North in 2009), it's become a lot safer and cleaner generally. I like London a lot, but I find it hard to stay there for long periods of time. I'm moving back there in under a year, so I'll see how that goes...

Gang culture and ghettos definitely do exist, it's very much dependant on the area you're in, though. I never found Camden too bad for crime but I lived in a less ghettoised part of it, although I did go to school in what was at the time essentially a ghetto. I have very mixed experiences with the heavily Muslim-populated areas in Camden, on the one hand I often feel that in Muslim-owned shops they treat me with less respect than people of their own community and can often be quite rude, but other white friends of mine are quite friendly with their local Muslim shop owners. I went to a 90% Muslim school and it was actually a lot less violent than some of the other more culturally diverse state schools that were in the borough (I didn't get beaten up once, which is unusual for any school), but I did in the first three years there experience mild bullying due to being an ethnic minority (White British made up about 3% of the school population), and before I got moved to a higher set in Science classes, the lessons were often interrupted by incensed students objecting to being taught 'lies' like evolution and the big bang theory.

It had its ups and downs. I don't believe that constant immigration can allow for integration to ever fully happen as it means that people will constantly be integrating, and as such I think it's a good idea to curb immigration so as to see how the different cultures interact for long periods of time. I have heard and fully believe that there are plenty of Muslim areas in which non-Muslims are not safe, I've even seen that up North to be honest, but I've met people who I went to school with who were raised Muslim who are friendly, decent and socially conscious individuals, who often keep their religious beliefs but are able to temper them with (it has to be said) the more civilised aspects of English culture. Respect for women, respect for non-Muslims, etc. I can assure you there are plenty of Muslims who are good people despite their draconian religion, and more power to them for that, I say. I think it's mostly a matter of education and intelligence – the smarter Muslims found integration easier than the stupid ones, who had nothing better to do than to hang onto their strict, archaic beliefs.

These are just my personal experiences, though, it is heavily dependant on the area you're in and what kinds of people live there. If a community is almost entirely Muslim then they have no reason to learn any new customs and so will continue to be the way they were before they moved here, and thus their children will be the same, which is no good for British society. There are definitely pockets of extremism and hard-line Islam, but luckily they are still small and few and far between, and I think that if we curb further immigration then even these few pockets will disappear, allowing for a society with no place for radical ideals that infringe on our culture and our standards of living.

I can confirm that the North is really bloody rainy.

Originally posted by Politico
Is it true UK is building a wall in France?
I believe that this is true, whilst I think it may be a bit of an extreme move due to how much money it will cost (which will be paid for by the taxpayers), I can understand why they want to do it.

edit: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37421525

Why are they building it in France, and why is the UK have to be responsible for it when they just left the EU.

Originally posted by Politico
Why are they building it in France, and why is the UK have to be responsible for it when they just left the EU.
It's around the Calais refugee camp, there are refugees regularly getting out and trying to reach the UK down the Channel Tunnel and hiding in trucks and the like. I think it was our government who decided to build it to stop these people. [edit, that last part isn't technically true, the French said they wanted to do it and the Uk government agreed it was a good idea]

Originally posted by Robtard
It seems the writers of the twist-the-facts-headline articles rely on the lazy reader, the one that will only read the headline and base their opinion off of that or the reader who will then dive into the article with a predisposition mindset. I believe today we saw a lot of the former.

Basically we continue to allow the media to manipulate us and to play these games. With online sites it's click baits. With tv news channels it's skillful editing and/or the omission of important details.

The thing is we know the media is not to be trusted and we all fall for this sooner or later: taking a headline to actually be a representation of the article(once upon a time in a galaxy far far away this actually occurred).

We're responsible, not just for not reading past the headline..but for so long continuing to allow them to get away with it.

In my mind something CNN recently did just epitomizes this nonsense: when the recent Milwaukee riots happened the brother of the dead victim called for people to stop destroying the city and go destroy the suburbs. CNN snipped the second part off and played only the first part, portraying this person as an evident voice of reason trying to calm an angry crowd.

This is not meant to bring up issues in the black community, the point is: this was random, this was a random person. She wasn't important and there was nothing particularly on the line and they STILL did it. So it scares me to think how they have tricked us for the really important things. To which no doubt those things they probably put a LOT more effort into covering up.

@ Scribble,

I cannot properly quote your post for some reaosn, so here's my response.

I lived in Camden, which has seen some major changes in the years that I've left (I moved up North in 2009), it's become a lot safer and cleaner generally. I like London a lot, but I find it hard to stay there for long periods of time. I'm moving back there in under a year, so I'll see how that goes...

Same here. I really enjoy London but in short spouts of time, like a weekend or a holiday. The longer I am there, the more overwhelming it gets.

Gang culture and ghettos definitely do exist, it's very much dependant on the area you're in, though. I never found Camden too bad for crime but I lived in a less ghettoised part of it, although I did go to school in what was at the time essentially a ghetto. I have very mixed experiences with the heavily Muslim-populated areas in Camden, on the one hand I often feel that in Muslim-owned shops they treat me with less respect than people of their own community and can often be quite rude, but other white friends of mine are quite friendly with their local Muslim shop owners. I went to a 90% Muslim school and it was actually a lot less violent than some of the other more culturally diverse state schools that were in the borough (I didn't get beaten up once, which is unusual for any school), but I did in the first three years there experience mild bullying due to being an ethnic minority (White British made up about 3% of the school population), and before I got moved to a higher set in Science classes, the lessons were often interrupted by incensed students objecting to being taught 'lies' like evolution and the big bang theory.

I get it. Would you agree then that the problem lies in the policies that made it possibile for such ghettos to pop up and persist in the UK.

I get that there will be areas in a city that a given ethniciy and/or religion will be dominant, but it's a long way from that to becoming a ghetto.

Not that it's only a British problem, as many Western countires have the same issues at hand, but in Londin it is really visible if you wander off the beaten track, so to speak. And those bad neighborhoods will be predominantly Muslim.

It had its ups and downs. I don't believe that constant immigration can allow for integration to ever fully happen as it means that people will constantly be integrating, and as such I think it's a good idea to curb immigration so as to see how the different cultures interact for long periods of time.

That would be wise. I guess the problem is that this was not the default policy that the UK had, and now they will need to clean up the mess by sanctioning something like that. Not sure how it's going to work tbh.

I have heard and fully believe that there are plenty of Muslim areas in which non-Muslims are not safe, I've even seen that up North to be honest, but I've met people who I went to school with who were raised Muslim who are friendly, decent and socially conscious individuals, who often keep their religious beliefs but are able to temper them with (it has to be said) the more civilised aspects of English culture. Respect for women, respect for non-Muslims, etc. I can assure you there are plenty of Muslims who are good people despite their draconian religion, and more power to them for that, I say. I think it's mostly a matter of education and intelligence – the smarter Muslims found integration easier than the stupid ones, who had nothing better to do than to hang onto their strict, archaic beliefs.

You don't have to convince me there are some cool Muslims out there as I know two guys from Egypt that live in my hometown, have an Arabic restaurant that I frequent often and are hard-working, decent guys.

But the issue is that Islam is the most violent religion in th world and it is in a dire need of reformation. Much like the Christian reformation in the 15th and 16th centuries. However, as far as I can tell, there is no room for it atm.

I can confirm that the North is really bloody rainy.

Well, bloody hell. 😉

I am thinking about going on a holiday to Scotland and perhaps North England next year. Any places that you'd recommend?

Bloody rain is not a good sign guys. I think there was an X-Files episode about that.

Originally posted by Surtur
Bloody rain is not a good sign guys. I think there was an X-Files episode about that.
Well, all the more interesting then. May be great to see it with bloody Mary in my hand. Not sure if Mulder and Scully would do that, tho.

Just don't say "Bloody Mary" around any mirrors and you should be okay.

Originally posted by Surtur
Just don't say "Bloody Mary" around any mirrors and you should be okay.

LOL

Originally posted by Stigma
@ Scribble,

I cannot properly quote your post for some reaosn, so here's my response.

Same here. I really enjoy London but in short spouts of time, like a weekend or a holiday. The longer I am there, the more overwhelming it gets.

I get it. Would you agree then that the problem lies in the policies that made it possibile for such ghettos to pop up and persist in the UK.

I get that there will be areas in a city that a given ethniciy and/or religion will be dominant, but it's a long way from that to becoming a ghetto.

Not that it's only a British problem, as many Western countires have the same issues at hand, but in Londin it is really visible if you wander off the beaten track, so to speak. And those bad neighborhoods will be predominantly Muslim.

That would be wise. I guess the problem is that this was not the default policy that the UK had, and now they will need to clean up the mess by sanctioning something like that. Not sure how it's going to work tbh.

You don't have to convince me there are some cool Muslims out there as I know two guys from Egypt that live in my hometown, have an Arabic restaurant that I frequent often and are hard-working, decent guys.

But the issue is that Islam is the most violent religion in th world and it is in a dire need of reformation. Much like the Christian reformation in the 15th and 16th centuries. However, as far as I can tell, there is no room for it atm.

Well, bloody hell. 😉

I am thinking about going on a holiday to Scotland and perhaps North England next year. Any places that you'd recommend?

Sorry about the late reply. Yeah, quoting seems to screw up whenever any unusual characters are used, it's annoying, I'll try and avoid them this time.

I'm not sure how things led to these ghettos existing, I wish I had more of a knowledge about all of that really. I'd imagine that their existences are down in some part to the government, but also due to how people of similar types tend to gather together. Birds of a feather and all that. From what I've heard, the Black ghettos are by far the most dangerous, since their gang culture is by now a long-standing tradition and the state schools in those areas are usually underfunded and understaffed, so young Black youths often end up having nothing more to do than joining up with a gang. In those kinds of areas, if you're White you'd better find the nearest exit because anti-White sentiment is huge, unless the White people in question are from the area and have taken up the modes of dress and speech of the Black youth. I haven't personally heard much about Muslim neighbourhoods other than the one I went to school in (which was fairly dangerous before the area got a bit of the old gentrification, although I guess it wasn't a full-on ghettos because there were a lot of working class White families who lived there too), but if they're anything like Black ghettos I imagine they are very dangerous places - and there are plenty of ghettos that are both Black and Pakistani/Bangladeshi mixed that are just as dangerous as the mostly-Black ones.

Islam certainly can be a very dangerous religion due to its doctrine and a huge number of the most Muslim-centric countries are ones with long histories of human rights abuses. I think if we stopped constant Muslim immigration to this country and perhaps Europe in general then Islam will be able to have a reformation much like Christianity did. But because we have so many Muslims moving here who have grown up hard-line, it continues to be difficult to do so as there will always be too much push back from these people. But if there was a reformation, then when other Muslims move here in the future they will realise they actually have to adapt because the Muslims that live here will not side with their sexist, racist, homophobic and regressive version of the religion.

Hmm, places in the North. Well I can't speak much for Scotland because I haven't been there much, but the best cities in the North (imo) are Manchester, Leeds and Newcastle. Although Liverpool has apparently turned around recently and is quite nice too. The Lake District is one of the most beautiful places in the world, but you have to catch it on a good day, otherwise expect to get wet, haha. It rains a hell of a lot there, but when the weather is nice the scenery is absolutely stunning.