Originally posted by CosmicComet
Cute but-You never debunked the part where those Stars are barely any bigger than the human scale demons flying right by them.
-The part where said demons, Thor, and Bill, all stood right in front of that portal and it was no bigger than a large lecture hall.
You are the worst. Read the book. Artistic license must be an expression that just completely befuddles you.
There is no artistic license there.
That's a deliberately altered scale, done in two different points. It's not done in any sort of way that makes it feasible to say that it was lazy art or an artistic mistake.
Thus its nowhere near a clear cut feat.
Unless you can get the artist's/writer's clear up on what that is, it is easily arguable that the portal has some esoteric property that is mucking reality up and altering the scale in the scene, going by said art.
I'm sure Thor has an actual clear cut Large Star+ destroying feat up his sleeve. In fact I'm almost positive he does. Why not post that instead of this unquantifiable scene?
Originally posted by CosmicComet
There is no artistic license there.That's a deliberately altered scale, done in two different points. It's not done in any sort of way that makes it feasible to say that it was lazy art or an artistic mistake.
Thus its nowhere near a clear cut feat.
Unless you can get the artist's/writer's clear up on what that is, it is easily arguable that the portal has some esoteric property that is mucking reality up and altering the scale in the scene, going by said art.
I'm sure Thor has an actual clear cut Large Star+ destroying feat up his sleeve. In fact I'm almost positive he does. Why not post that instead of this unquantifiable scene?
please post the large star feat!!!
Originally posted by CosmicComet
There is no artistic license there.That's a deliberately altered scale, done in two different points. It's not done in any sort of way that makes it feasible to say that it was lazy art or an artistic mistake.
Thus its nowhere near a clear cut feat.
Unless you can get the artist's/writer's clear up on what that is, it is easily arguable that the portal has some esoteric property that is mucking reality up and altering the scale in the scene, going by said art.
I'm sure Thor has an actual clear cut Large Star+ destroying feat up his sleeve. In fact I'm almost positive he does. Why not post that instead of this unquantifiable scene?
Again read the book. You are pulling things out of the proverbial @$$.
Superman/Hal pull earth. Correction... By your logic it's an alternate mini earth.
http://i40.tinypic.com/qy7611.jpg
Exitar is planet sized.
http://media.animevice.com/uploads/4/42335/775987-uncannyavengers015_01s6s05_super.jpg
And by your logic Thor is the size of a large country.
http://s21.postimg.org/3ncqiprfb/014.jpg
Pre-crisis Billy pushes dead star. Oh wait... It was a star from a mini galaxy based on... Yes. You guessed it. Incontrovertible logic.
http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/105634/3739363-move+star+2.jpg
Should I continue?
For somebody as smart as you I'm surprised that the idea of artistic license used in a medium like this for crying out loud is beyond you.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
facepalmAgain read the book. You are pulling things out of the proverbial @$$.
Superman/Hal pull earth. Correction... By your logic it's an alternate mini earth.
http://i40.tinypic.com/qy7611.jpgExitar is planet sized.
http://media.animevice.com/uploads/4/42335/775987-uncannyavengers015_01s6s05_super.jpg
And by your logic Thor is the size of a large country.
http://s21.postimg.org/3ncqiprfb/014.jpgPre-crisis Billy pushes dead star. Oh wait... It was a star from a mini galaxy based on... Yes. You guessed it. Incontrovertible logic.
http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/105634/3739363-move+star+2.jpgShould I continue?
For somebody as smart as you I'm surprised that the idea of artistic license used in a medium like this for crying out loud is beyond you.
😂
You can't argue the point so you did the same exact shit last time, you tried to deflect with red herrings that are far more clear cut and clearly ARE examples of lazy art (especially in the golden/silver age examples that you like to use), or misleading perspective.
Let's humor you and address them.
1. Supes and Hal are clearly far in front of the planet. At least a full planet length. The only possible art problem is the cable near Supes doesn't thin out properly with perspective. So a slight art error as far as perspective in an otherwise entirely clear and self-explanatory scene. They were just on the planet, and the rest of the league still are. So. lol.
2. Didn't read this story. If Exitar was truly planet sized and by your first scan he clearly seems to be, then that means Thor is actually thousands and thousands of miles away from Exitar's head. Artist just does a bad job with with showing perspective. Exitar's head should have been heavily blurred to show some depth of field or something.
3. There is nothing wrong with this. You can't even see Captain Marvel next to the star when its zoomed out to show the full thing in panel three. At best you see too much curvature in panel one, but that's a common problem with golden and silver age art. Lazy, low fidelity panels especially when it comes to celestial bodies. Hell its still common in newer art.
And too bad we know explicitly that its a Giant star. The biggest one he could find in that region of space. Of which he needed its size to save the alien planets that he just visited. Those same planets were of course normal sized planets, so obviously not a miniature galaxy he was on. 🙂
Unfortunately, there are more than one problem with your Thor/Bill scan.
1. Those demons are not Star sized at all. And yet we see them RIGHT NEXT to a Star as they are flying out of the portal. Hell some of them are behind the star as well. Hell, they are so close, and the star is so relatively small, that its yellow light only illuminates a smaller section of that mass.
2. We see Thor and Bill, and the rest of those human sized Demons, stand directly on that portal. They aren't light years away, or some other vague distance. Thor stands literally right on top of it, and he's barely any smaller than one of those four rectangular corners in the center.
3. Since its a mystical/esoteric related scene, and not a straight forward physical scene (e.g. dragging a planet or pushing a star), its arguable that the portal is mucking with reality to create the clearly messed up scale that the art shows in multiple ways.
It's also funny that whenever you post the feat you conveniently forget to also show said parts of the scene where Thor/Bill/Demons are standing right on top of the portal and it does not look big at all in a direct comparison.
Obviously that would affect your attempts to legitimize it because then it becomes too easily open to scrutiny and you can't present it as being as clear cut and uncontroversial a feat as you'd like it to be. It's disingenuous as hell on your part.
The only person who doesn't seem to understand artistic license is you. There's more nuance than what you present, and the nuances of your scans are not easily conflated with bad perspective or art errors, which is why you are trying to deflect with multiple red herring examples, all of which are more clear cut and easily explainable than yours.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
😂You can't argue the point so you did the same exact shit last time, you tried to deflect with red herrings that are far more clear cut and clearly ARE examples of lazy art (especially in the golden/silver age examples that you like to use), or misleading perspective.
Let's humor you and address them.
1. Supes and Hal are clearly far in front of the planet. At least a full planet length. The only possible art problem is the cable near Supes doesn't thin out properly with perspective. So a slight art error as far as perspective in an otherwise entirely clear and self-explanatory scene. They were just on the planet, and the rest of the league still are. So. lol.
2. Didn't read this story. If Exitar was truly planet sized and by your first scan he clearly seems to be, then that means Thor is actually thousands and thousands of miles away from Exitar's head. Artist just does a bad job with with showing perspective. Exitar's head should have been heavily blurred to show some depth of field or something.
3. There is nothing wrong with this. You can't even see Captain Marvel next to the star when its zoomed out to show the full thing in panel three. At best you see too much curvature in panel one, but that's a common problem with golden and silver age art. Lazy, low fidelity panels especially when it comes to celestial bodies. Hell its still common in newer art.
And too bad we know explicitly that its a [b]Giant
star. The biggest one he could find in that region of space. Of which he needed its size to save the alien planets that he just visited. Those same planets were of course normal sized planets, so obviously not a miniature galaxy he was on. 🙂
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It's also funny how you easily accept an excuse for each example I cited and can't bring yourself to treat the Thor and Bill scene the same. Hypocrisy much?
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Unfortunately, there are more than one problem with your Thor/Bill scan.1. Those demons are not Star sized at all. And yet we see them RIGHT NEXT to a Star as they are flying out of the portal. Hell some of them are behind the star as well. Hell, they are so close, and the star is so relatively small, that its yellow light only illuminates a smaller section of that mass.
2. We see Thor and Bill, and the rest of those human sized Demons, stand directly on that portal. They aren't light years away, or some other vague distance. Thor stands literally right on top of it, and he's barely any smaller than one of those four rectangular corners in the center.
3. Since its a mystical/esoteric related scene, and not a straight forward physical scene (e.g. dragging a planet or pushing a star), its arguable that the portal is mucking with reality to create the clearly messed up scale that the art shows in multiple ways.
It's also funny that whenever you post the feat you conveniently forget to also show said parts of the scene where Thor/Bill/Demons are standing right on top of the portal and it does not look big at all in a direct comparison.
Obviously that would affect your attempts to legitimize it because then it becomes too easily open to scrutiny and you can't present it as being as clear cut and uncontroversial a feat as you'd like it to be. It's disingenuous as hell on your part.
The only person who doesn't seem to understand artistic license is you. There's more nuance than what you present, and the nuances of your scans are not easily conflated with bad perspective or art errors, which is why you are trying to deflect with multiple red herring examples, all of which are more clear cut and easily explainable than yours.
2. Look. We see the portal as it is compared to surrounding stars and other celestial bodies. There really is no need for extra mental gymnastics. If you read the book, you would understand the scale in which Simonson was playing with. The setting was so grand he had Surtur blowing up a galactic core and used the remains of left over stars for building shiet. Hell he was dwarfing stars at one point. He had Sif jumping out of a chariot pulled by goats moving ftl and safely land on a river of spaceships moving ftl. The galactic core was replaced by the portal ffs. 😬
Space cheese was the name of the game. You trying to rationalize the scene is just lulzworthy.
3. 😂
Read number 2. Now you are forced to reach even further when nothing from the arc suggested reality warping.
Lol... Why would I try to hide anything when ive posted the feat in its entirety multiple times. In fact in one of those times you did the same thing trying to rationalize the feat when you know it's space cheese at its finest.
Hypocrite much? Your stance pretty much calls into question 99% of space cheese. Do you know how butthurt u sound?
Originally posted by carver9
He was not thrown. He jumped and had assistance in getting an extra boost. It was said twice that strength was the cause of the asteroid destruction.
So you say it's all him but you just admitted he had assistance. If this was all 100% him then wouldn't he have been able to do this on his own? Can you explain why assistance was needed?
The Hulk needed technology in order to increase the force in which he'd end up hitting the asteroid. Do you agree with that? If the device increases the force in which he jumps with it's also going to increase the force in which he hits the object with.
Originally posted by Surtur
So you say it's all him but you just admitted he had assistance. If this was all 100% him then wouldn't he have been able to do this on his own? Can you explain why assistance was needed?The Hulk needed technology in order to increase the force in which he'd end up hitting the asteroid. Do you agree with that? If the device increases the force in which he jumps with it's also going to increase the force in which he hits the object with.
The Hulk needed assistance to get him outside of space because he couldn't jump that high. The rest was all him as stated in the comic. His STRENGTH is what destroyed the asteroid, he just couldn't make it to the asteroid. Using your train of thought, they could've thrown Wolverine up there to destroy an asteroid twice the size of Earth. Think bro, THINK.
Originally posted by carver9
The Hulk needed assistance to get him outside of space because he couldn't jump that high. The rest was all him as stated in the comic. His STRENGTH is what destroyed the asteroid, he just couldn't make it to the asteroid. Using your train of thought, they could've thrown Wolverine up there to destroy an asteroid twice the size of Earth. Think bro, THINK.
Lol. Carverstronomy.
As soon as the Hulk hit space, he lost all of the momentum from the rockets. He then proceeded purely on his own strength. Apparently.
Think, carver.
