Prime Luke Skywalker - Ancient Sith gauntlet

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Sorcery?

What in particular? Honestly, just because it's "sorcery" doesn't mean it's going to be effective; Luke's feats with telekinesis, illusions, electric judgment, etc. are probably far superior anyway.

Luke isn't blitzing any of the Ancient Sith, they're confirmed to all be great duelists.

"Great" is a relative term here; and in close quarters, numbers are rather overrated, as plenty of duels have demonstrated.

Especially while Hord is here, and you know how great Hord is as a duelist. [/B]

Why? Because Traya said so?

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Based on him being described as a legendary duelist, taking down Khem Val, single-handedly taking down the Siege of Yn before his prime.

Aiding in the extermination of 1000 Jedi.

Kreia saying that he was the best Sith Duelist ever (as of KOTOR II), and Chris Avellone straight up saying that everything she said was accurate.

Also being an incredible duelist when many true lightsaber masters lived.

So was Kun.
So did Nox.
An army busting feat, congrats.
Aiding, as in had help.
Kreia says so because of his massacre of Jedi, Avellone was setting up the true Sith for KOTOR III. Which obviously never occurred.
Kun's time is described as the combative peak of the Jedi Order and Kun could smash one of their greatest.

All hype no feats, Kun has both.

Originally posted by AncientPower
So was Kun.
So did Nox.
An army busting feat, congrats.
Aiding, as in had help.
Kreia says so because of his massacre of Jedi, Avellone was setting up the true Sith for KOTOR III. Which obviously never occurred.
Kun's time is described as the combative peak of the Jedi Order and Kun could smash one of their greatest.

All hype no feats, Kun has both.

Didn't Khem Val say he was weakened in one of his conversations?

"Once I return to full strength!..."

Or something along those lines.

Luke sh!ts on Kun, who then sh!t on Hord.

Originally posted by MythLord
Luke sh!ts on Kun, who then sh!t on Hord.

Unless you're saying Kreia and Avellone's opinions aren't worth anything, which is... well, wrong.

Kreia also said greatest of the Sith Lords.

Not even just the Ancients.

Originally posted by MythLord
Luke sh!ts on Sedriss, who then sh!ts on Kun, who then sh!ts on Hord.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
What in particular? Honestly, just because it's "sorcery" doesn't mean it's going to be effective; Luke's feats with telekinesis, illusions, electric judgment, etc. are probably far superior anyway.

"Great" is a relative term here; and in close quarters, numbers are rather overrated, as plenty of duels have demonstrated.

Why? Because Traya said so?

He said she was setting up the true Sith for KOTOR III, so it is accurate in that respect. In the grand scheme of things, Kreia's only sources for this is historical basis and there isn't a single bit of context to draw a reliable conclusion on. She isn't omniscient, nor do Avellone's confirmations bare any relevancy outside of his own base concepts of a version of Sith who shaped stars and shit, and are fortunately non-canon.

Anyway, Kun still wins.

Originally posted by AncientPower
He said she was setting up the true Sith for KOTOR III, so it is accurate in that respect. In the grand scheme of things, Kreia's only sources for this is historical basis and there isn't a single bit of context to draw a reliable conclusion on. She isn't omniscient, nor do Avellone's confirmations bare any relevancy outside of his own base concepts of a version of Sith who shaped stars and shit, and are fortunately non-canon.

Anyway, Kun still wins.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Thats literally impossible.

Unless you're saying Kreia and Avellone's opinions aren't worth anything, which is... well, wrong.

Kreia also said greatest of the [b]Sith Lords.

Not even just the Ancients. [/B]

Kreia... subjective. Avellone... non-canon.

Exar is canonically the greatest Sith up to and of his time; he's better than Hord by all means.

Originally posted by MythLord
Kreia... subjective. Avellone... non-canon.

Exar is canonically the greatest Sith up to and of his time; he's better than Hord by all means.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Why is Avellone's word worth shit regarding other stuff then?

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Why is Avellone's word worth shit regarding other stuff then?

That varies from the debater in question, but for me it isn't. It's just an opinion.