You don't need to use anything specific to disprove her fight against the Magnaguards. It's clear that she performed very differently in that second half as compared to everything else. It's up to you people to prove it's validity under normal circumstances.
And assuming that the Magnaguards are the same ones as the ones that gave Obi-Wan trouble is a stretch also.
Winning against apprentice Galen isn't on par with stalemating Maul 😬
Originally posted by SunRazer
You don't need to use anything specific to disprove her fight against the Magnaguards. It's clear that she performed very differently in that second half as compared to everything else. It's up to you people to prove it's validity under normal circumstances.And assuming that the Magnaguards are the same ones as the ones that gave Obi-Wan trouble is a stretch also.
Winning against apprentice Galen isn't on par with stalemating Maul 😬
I'm fairly certain I already did. She dispatched a MagnaGuard in a short amount of time in both occasions, and both occasions were an extremely short exchange. In her duel with the entire horde, it was a solid minute or so that she held them off prior to grabbing the saber staff. And this was after running around Coruscant.
The MGs Shaak fought were noted as GG's absolute elite; the same Obi faced.
The same Maul that got beat by Kanan, and knocked on his ass by Ezra? lmao
Originally posted by MythLord
I'm fairly certain I already did. She dispatched a MagnaGuard in a short amount of time in both occasions, and both occasions were an extremely short exchange. In her duel with the entire horde, it was a solid minute or so that she held them off prior to grabbing the saber staff. And this was after running around Coruscant.The MGs Shaak fought were noted as GG's absolute elite; the same Obi faced.
The same Maul that got beat by Kanan, and knocked on his ass by Ezra? lmao
1. Untrue. She spends way longer fighting a lone Magnaguard earlier on the moving platform. Clearly, her ability to fight in large crowds and the electrostaff both influenced her performance at the end there, which is why it's a one-off and she was losing pretty hard when she was fighting them from the outside with just her lightsaber.
2. Where?
3. Ahsoka also holds her own against Vader.
1. We see her fighting one, then leaping to another. The whole exchange took about was somewhat longer than Foul Moudama pushing a MagnaGuard, which is obviously going to last like... two seconds, at best?
Then there's her fight in the underground train routes of Coruscant where she fights two, then when we cut back to her she's only fighting one and barely even focusing on him.
2. "When Grievous kidnapped Chancellor Palpatine on Coruscant, a force of his remaining battle hardened elite accompanied him to distract any Jedi during his escape."
-- The Official Starships & Vehicle Vehicles Collection #20
"The remainder of Grievous' elite would suffer a similar fate on Utapau, in a warm up round for Kenobi's confrontation with the cyborg general."
-- Revenge of the Sith Visual Dictionary (updated 2015 version)
3. And was driven back consistently and considerably pressured by Vader. I feel Shaak can also get driven back quickly, and noticeably overwhelmed. Not to mention this is Canon Vader, who isn't quite on par with his Legends self.
And a noticeably pre-prime Ti held off Knightfall Anakin well enough not to die, so yeah.
1. What leaping to another? Screenshot it. There's also the fight in the railway station. Shaak obviously wasn't tearing them apart as quickly as she did later on. And again, she was performing noticeably worse in the first half when she wasn't fighting amidst them with an electrostaff. Something tells me that the changed circumstances were the reason she suddenly did better.
2. Well, if I wanted to nitpick, the sources claim when he made his escape, not when he made his attack. But I have no intention of continuing this, so I'll concede.
3. Proof for either of those claims?
1. https://youtu.be/64-3talVkUA?t=324
In the railway station she is fighting two, then when it cuts back to her she's fighting one and mostly running away from it, trying to get back the Chancellor. Then when she actually engages it, she shits on it faster than the train can pass by them(which, again, is maybe a few seconds).
The staff definitely helped her, but she's fending off a horde of them for a solid minute. Given how Kenobi can have trouble with a few, it doesn't surprise me nearly two dozen can overwhelm Shaak Ti. It is still an extremely impressive feat.
3. EU Vader's feats are better(nigh-speedblitzing Ferus Olin, stomping Jax Pavan, murking groups of Jedi, etc.). And as for Shaak fighting Lord Vader:
"Shaak Ti was at the Jedi Temple when Vader attacked, and narrowly escaped death at the hands of the immensely more powerful Sith Lord."
-- The Official Starships & Vehicle Vehicles Collection #51
Granted, it notes Lord Vader was immensely more powerful, but it also notes she escaped death at his hands when many believed she dies(as per TCSWE), so she held her own enough to survive(and for several other padawans and Knights to escape as per the TFU Databank).
1. She wasn't leaping to anything new. Only 2 Magnaguards are shown there, with a third arriving to be Pushed off the ledge. She pretty much just attacked the same one with an acrobatic attack, lol.
Impressive to what degree?
2. EU Vader is canonically weaker than RotS Anakin by this time in terms of sabers, whereas Canon Vader appears to be stronger (or at least, it's never stated that he got weaker).
She escaped, but did she even face him direct combat? Somebody persuaded me otherwise.
Besides, escaping could just as easily refer to how lucky you are or if somebody else sacrificed themselves so you could escape. KotOR Revan escaped from Darth Malak on the Leviathan, as well.