Darth Revan vs End of KotOR II Exile

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It's honestly more than likely that Kreia was both more powerful and more skilled, but the Exile found another way to undermine Kreia that's more akin to her character.

The Exile was never intended to be powerful, whereas the script makes clear Kreia is to be perceived as very powerful.

For what it's worth, Kreia admits that "You know as much of battle as I".

Also, if you're using TCSWE, it states that Traya wanted to kill the Exile because she felt the latter was growing in power and would become a threat to the Triumvirate, lol.

What way to "undermine"? Sion foresees that the Exile would surpass Kreia in power, lol. Heck, even Traya states that the purpose of the training was so that the Exile could become stronger than her.

Did Rahm Kota know any less of battle than Galen Marek?

Well yeah, obviously the Exile was a threat and growing and power. And I'm not soley using TCSWE. I recognize it's inconsistent. But what is consistent is Kreia's portrayal as being superior to the Exile. Hell, Avellone even states, again, that she was never intended to be powerful, just unique.

Nova this isn't a battle you should have started. The backtracking is painful to watch.

Originally posted by SunRazer
What way to "undermine"? Sion foresees that the Exile would surpass Kreia in power, lol. Heck, even Traya states that the purpose of the training was so that the Exile could become stronger than her.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Well yeah, obviously the Exile was a threat and growing and power. And I'm not soley using TCSWE. I recognize it's inconsistent. But what is consistent is Kreia's portrayal as being superior to the Exile. Hell, Avellone even states, again, that she was never intended to be powerful, just unique.

She isn't naturally powerful, that's the point (although TOR retcons that). She's unique because her "power" comes from leeching off others. She feeds off the death of hundreds, plus the hordes of Sith on the Ravager and the legion of Sith on Malachor V, as well as her five Force Bonds.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Nova this isn't a battle you should have started. The backtracking is painful to watch.

There's no backtracking. We're still on whether or not the Exile is above Traya.

You can say that when you respond in the other thread instead of pretending that you're sleeping right now.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I don't think Kreia's referring to power. Sion is, but I think he's just saying the Exile will defeat Kreia.

"Come to surpass her power" means exactly that 😬

I'm trying to get to sleep. Reading these boring @ss KOTOR debates is like a warm glass of milk for me.

Originally posted by SunRazer
She isn't naturally powerful, that's the point (although TOR retcons that). She's unique because her "power" comes from leeching off others. She feeds off the death of hundreds, plus the hordes of Sith on the Ravager and the legion of Sith on Malachor V, as well as her five Force Bonds.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Unique as in "an unusual frame of mind and outlook" (his exact words), not because of her leeching. 😬

What counts as "powerful" for Avellone? Apparently you have to manipulate galaxies, stars, planets, or at the minimum, fleets 🙂

Anyways, death of the author might apply here. Future sources on the Exile (Power Beyond Belief, The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia, The Old Republic: Revan, The Old Republic) all contradict this "not powerful" notion.

Kreia, apparently.

Oh, the sweet irony. And no, they're rather consistent.

1. So Sion claiming that the Exile will come to surpass Kreia's power means just that.

2. I know, they're all stupid sources in their own ways. I wouldn't mind if we all reverted to just the original source, in fact. But at least there's a case here, undeniably. The Exile's one of the most powerful Jedi in history per all of these sources (bar TSCWE, but she was getting powerful enough for Kreia to fear her).

And for full context, here's my Q and A:

Q: Additionally, I would like to know your thoughts on Meetra Surik aka the Jedi Exile. I read all your interviews concerning Revan and really love how you envisioned the character. It seemed your video game portrayed the Exile as among the most powerful Jedi in history, especially thanks to her being a Wound in the Force. However, recent lore showed the Exile being tragically dismissed by Darth Nyriss with little difficulty. In your opinion, do you believe this was because she lost her wound in the Force, and therefore was not drawing off of the power of her companions, that Darth Nyriss is simply a far more powerful adversary then Darth Sion and Darth Traya appeared to be, or a different reason all together?

A: I never saw the Exile as all-powerful, only with an unusual frame of mind and outlook, which made him/her more interesting.

So, I even spoon-fed him the opportunity to say "yeah, she's among the best," and he refused. 👆

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. So Sion claiming that the Exile will come to surpass Kreia's power means just that.

2. I know, they're all stupid sources in their own ways. I wouldn't mind if we all reverted to just the original source, in fact. But at least there's a case here, undeniably.

2. The original source being the one that has her as not powerful? 😉

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
And for full context, here's my Q and A:

Q: Additionally, I would like to know your thoughts on Meetra Surik aka the Jedi Exile. I read all your interviews concerning Revan and really love how you envisioned the character. It seemed your video game portrayed the Exile as among the most powerful Jedi in history, especially thanks to her being a Wound in the Force. However, recent lore showed the Exile being tragically dismissed by Darth Nyriss with little difficulty. In your opinion, do you believe this was because she lost her wound in the Force, and therefore was not drawing off of the power of her companions, that Darth Nyriss is simply a far more powerful adversary then Darth Sion and Darth Traya appeared to be, or a different reason all together?

A: I never saw the Exile as all-powerful, only with an unusual frame of mind and outlook, which made him/her more interesting.

So, I even spoon-fed him the opportunity to say "yeah, she's among the best," and he refused. 👆

Well, of course she's not "all-powerful". Neither is Traya.

Besides, he doesn't even answer your question. There's no justification for why she lost to Nyriss.

Honestly, the dude question dodged like a politician, lal.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
1. Not necessarily. And not that I care for what he thinks anyway.

2. The original source being the one that has her as not powerful? 😉

1. He says "I know you will come to surpass her power". Sounds about as concrete as it could get - perhaps even authorial intent.

2. I know. Which is why I'm arguing death of the author.

"All-powerful" as in among the greatest Jedi in history, even with the wound mentioned. 👆

He didn't even say she was semi-powerful, just unique.

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. He says "I know you will come to surpass her power". Sounds about as concrete as it could get - perhaps even authorial intent.

2. I know. Which is why I'm arguing death of the author.

2. Won't work with me.