Darth Revan vs End of KotOR II Exile

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
1. Not really. Under what context would she surpass her? And when? A decade?

2. Won't work with me.

1. That depends. With her dying only a year later, if we're trying to reconcile the sources, then it's within that year. Otherwise, there's no answer.

2. Without your cooperation, I've done all I can for you.

Also, TCSWE claims that Kreia sensed the Exile from across the galaxy when she was cut off from the Force. Revan failed to do that in the novel. Kreia > Revan 🙂

1. Or she would have surpassed her if she hadn't had died.

Kreia's ability to detect wounds in the Force have always been known.

1. Sion foresees it. Unless he's seeing an alternate reality.

2. Right after she's been cut off from the Force? 🙂

Anyways, I've actually been waiting for a Kreia > Exile argument for a long time. Though my question on how the Exile managed to "undermine" her opponent for the win hasn't been answered.

The fact that she takes down Kreia's three sabers might also suggest that Kreia wasn't more skilled.

Kind of like Zoltan's theory that contradicting video game cutscenes are alternate realities. 🙂

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. Sion foresees it. Unless he's seeing an alternate reality.

2. Right after she's been cut off from the Force? 🙂

2. She's a wound in the Force.

1. Another impasse, I suppose.

2. You have to have good Force Senses to sense a Wound in the Force in the first place, lol. Especially across the galaxy.

Also, is Meetra even a Wound in the Force in the novel? I don't recall it being mentioned.

So much cancer, Exile > Traya ~\> Malak > Darth Revan.

Originally posted by AncientPower
So much cancer, Exile > Traya ~\> Malak > Darth Revan.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWdD206eSv0

The comment section of the video you just linked buys you a free pass for all past and future sins.

Malak lost to Darth Revan. His only claim to superiority, which was mastering the Star Forge where Revan didn't, got retconned by TOR.

Anyways, I thought your quote (Ant) would be more conclusive. Her not being all-powerful doesn't convince me that Traya was intended to be her better, and the dialogue cues in-game and supplementary sources only further my point.

Irrelevant. If Traya's weaker than the Exile, then that just means she also wasn't intended to be a powerhouse like Revan.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It's honestly more than likely that Kreia was both more powerful and more skilled, but the Exile found another way to undermine Kreia that's more akin to her character.

How?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Irrelevant. If Traya's weaker than the Exile, then that just means she also wasn't intended to be a powerhouse like Revan.

That's my point, actually. Neither of them are "all-powerful", so Ant's Avellone quote about them not being all-powerful doesn't prove that Traya's stronger than the Exile 😬

Not to mention that Kreia commends the Exile on her strength at several points in the game. Most notably when she instantly learns techniques that Masters spend years trying to learn with no success.

@Ant - TCSWE claims that the Exile was a former student of Kreia's, lmfao.

Anyway, Traya/Malak vs Nyriss?