Best Strategists in Star Wars · Star Wars: Literature & Expanded Universe

darthbane77 Senior Member

Originally posted by quanchi112
Whether he felt remorse or not it's irrelevant. He was still evil and still trying to kill the good guys. Vader flipped sides so Palpatine totally and utterly failed you illiterate pile of horseshit.
You clearly didn't see the film because you insist Snoke didn't use any strategy.

Lol. BECAUSE HE DIDN'T USE ANY ****ING STRATEGY! He left EVERYTHING up to Hux to complete in whatever way Hux saw fit. He have like two orders in the entirety of the film. I will love to see your reaction when Kylo goes back to the light, you ****ing idiot. You obviously have seen the film MINIMAL times and even then only chose to see what you wanted to see, and completely ignore everything Vader has ever done that was evil. Biased mother****ing shitheel.

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Originally posted by darthbane77
Lol. BECAUSE HE DIDN'T USE ANY ****ING STRATEGY! He left EVERYTHING up to Hux to complete in whatever way Hux saw fit. He have like two orders in the entirety of the film. I will love to see your reaction when Kylo goes back to the light, you ****ing idiot. You obviously have seen the film MINIMAL times and even then only chose to see what you wanted to see, and completely ignore everything Vader has ever done that was evil. Biased mother****ing shitheel.

That's clearly misinformation. Hux goes to him at the end of the film when the base is being destroyed. He also clearly gave orders to Kylo the entire film without Hux present and with those two vehemently opposed to one another.

Kylo killed his father Vader didn't kill his son. These are facts get your shitty speculation of what might happen out of here, ****. Vader appearing as a force ghost for the light isn't evil you pile of shit. He redeemed himself at the end you inbred redneck.

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Snoke: Our strategy must now change.

Almost fifty minutes in the film you idiots who denied he used strategy in the film. This is just really poor cognition since he even states the obvious by strategy and change in the film.

Apologies may now commence.

darthbane77 Senior Member

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's clearly misinformation. Hux goes to him at the end of the film when the base is being destroyed. He also clearly gave orders to Kylo the entire film without Hux present and with those two vehemently opposed to one another.
Kylo killed his father Vader didn't kill his son. These are facts get your shitty speculation of what might happen out of here, ****. Vader appearing as a force ghost for the light isn't evil you pile of shit. He redeemed himself at the end you inbred redneck.

Yes, he redeemed himself AT THE END. After TWENTY+ years of evil shit. Vader's evil deeds outweigh Kylo's by numbers alone, not to mention by magnitude; but I guess you conveniently forgot about that. Snoke gives orders to Kylo because Kylo is his apprentice, Snoke doesn't strategize any battles whatsoever; he tells Hux to do it. "Prepare the weapon", "find Kylo Ren", "Get the droid" simple orders; orders that were turned into objectives strategized by those who STARTED AND OVERSAW THE OPERATION. Snoke giving the basic order DOES NOT equate to strategy, you blind son of a *****. Your bias is cancerous, and your ignorance of any facts concerning Vader are even more so.

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Originally posted by darthbane77
Yes, he redeemed himself AT THE END. After TWENTY+ years of evil shit. Vader's evil deeds outweigh Kylo's by numbers alone, not to mention by magnitude; but I guess you conveniently forgot about that. Snoke gives orders to Kylo because Kylo is his apprentice, Snoke doesn't strategize any battles whatsoever; he tells Hux to do it. "Prepare the weapon", "find Kylo Ren", "Get the droid" simple orders; orders that were turned into objectives strategized by those who STARTED AND OVERSAW THE OPERATION. Snoke giving the basic order DOES NOT equate to strategy, you blind son of a *****. Your bias is cancerous, and your ignorance of any facts concerning Vader are even more so.

This isn't about longevity it's about Snoke being more successful than Palp. Vader killed Palp. That's not successful that's failure of the worst kind.

Look at you changing the topic. It isn't about complicated tasks you tool. A great teacher simplifies things. He was in charge and he strategized. Hux followed his commands.

You ignoring his words in limited screen time to try to troll your way through a debate denying on screen factual data won't be ignored. Snoke is the guy who strategizes and the one who tells Hux what to do when the shit hits the fan. Snoke is the supreme leader of the entire first order you pile of cousin spawned shit.

darthbane77 Senior Member

Originally posted by quanchi112
Snoke: [B]Our strategy must now change.
Almost fifty minutes in the film you idiots who denied he used strategy in the film. This is just really poor cognition since he even states the obvious by strategy and change in the film.
Apologies may now commence. [/B]

Key word, OUR strategy; as in the First Order's, not his alone. Again, misinterpreting on purpose to serve your own poorly thought out opinions.

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Originally posted by darthbane77
Key word, OUR strategy; as in the First Order's, not his alone. Again, misinterpreting on purpose to serve your own poorly thought out opinions.

Yes, as they were a part of his team the first order. He is the supreme leader of the first order. What does supreme and leader mean to you ? You can't possibly be this retarded.

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darthbane77 Senior Member

Originally posted by quanchi112
This isn't about longevity it's about Snoke being more successful than Palp. Vader killed Palp. That's not successful that's failure of the worst kind.
Look at you changing the topic. It isn't about complicated tasks you tool. A great teacher simplifies things. He was in charge and he strategized. Hux followed his commands.
You ignoring his words in limited screen time to try to troll your way through a debate denying on screen factual data won't be ignored. Snoke is the guy who strategizes and the one who tells Hux what to do when the shit hits the fan. Snoke is the supreme leader of the entire first order you pile of cousin spawned shit.

"More successful than Palpatine", guess that's why Snoke has a galaxy spanning Empire and was able to wipe out the Jedi Order in its prime...oh wai, that was PALPATINE. Again, giving the order and making the plan is not the same; making the plan is strategizing; not giving the order to make a plan.

darthbane77 Senior Member

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, as they were a part of his team the first order. He is the supreme leader of the first order. What does supreme and leader mean to you ? You can't possibly be this retarded.
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Let's look at it this way, the President of the United States gives orders to the Generals in the military right? The President says, "we need to capture this place or this person" and then he commands the general to do so. The GENERAL is then the one that goes about allocating resources and making the plan to complete said objective, THAT is strategizing. Snoke is the president, he tells them what to do; but THEY decide how to do it.

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Originally posted by darthbane77
"More successful than Palpatine", guess that's why Snoke has a galaxy spanning Empire and was able to wipe out the Jedi Order in its prime...oh wai, that was PALPATINE. Again, giving the order and making the plan is not the same; making the plan is strategizing; not giving the order to make a plan.

Palpatine served up his empire on a platter. The only reason he was successful was because Anakin saved his life because Windu decimated him and had him dead to rights. Palpatine used Vader and his army in secret to blind side the weak Jedi order.

Approving a plan you agree with because you're the leader makes you a great leader. When starkiller fell apart Hux needed direction from his leader Snoke.

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Originally posted by darthbane77
Let's look at it this way, the President of the United States gives orders to the Generals in the military right? The President says, "we need to capture this place or this person" and then he commands the general to do so. The GENERAL is then the one that goes about allocating resources and making the plan to complete said objective, THAT is strategizing. Snoke is the president, he tells them what to do; but THEY decide how to do it.

That is clearly false as we see Snoke is clearly overseeing the battle strategy and is the guy Hux runs back to when the resistance destroyed Starkiller base.

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darthbane77 Senior Member

Originally posted by quanchi112
Palpatine served up his empire on a platter. The only reason he was successful was because Anakin saved his life because Windu decimated him and had him dead to rights. Palpatine used Vader and his army in secret to blind side the weak Jedi order.
Approving a plan you agree with because you're the leader makes you a great leader. When starkiller fell apart Hux needed direction from his leader Snoke.
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Approving a plan you agree with doesn't make him a great leader, it means he agreed with the plan; that's it. Lol @ Windu decimating him, the only reason Windu won is because of Vapaad; and even then it can be argued that Sidious let him win.

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Originally posted by darthbane77
Approving a plan you agree with doesn't make him a great leader, it means he agreed with the plan; that's it. Lol @ Windu decimating him, the only reason Windu won is because of Vapaad; and even then it can be argued that Sidious let him win.

Yes, it does. When you're a leader you know when to defer and when to lead. Snoke is a great leader as evidenced by the First Order aka his rise to power, his seduction of Kylo Ren, and the accomplishments of the First Order.

Speculation. Windu won and Palpatine lost. He begged like a *****.

Don't let him kill me. Palpatine.

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Keep running, darth bane.

darthbane77 Senior Member

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, it does. When you're a leader you know when to defer and when to lead. Snoke is a great leader as evidenced by the First Order aka his rise to power, his seduction of Kylo Ren, and the accomplishments of the First Order.
Speculation. Windu won and Palpatine lost. He begged like a *****.
[B]Don't let him kill me. Palpatine. [/B]

We know nothing surrounding the creation of the First Order, it simply means he was powerful enough or had a high enough rank to gather the remnant of the Empire under his control. Deferring to somebody who knows more about a subject than you do is not sign of being a good leader, it's common ****ing sense. The fact that Vapaad was the reason Windu "won" that fight isn't speculation when Sidious has feats and accolades a swordsman surpassing non-Vapaad amped Windu's. I see you also failed to counter my comparison comment, which means you obviously have nothing to counter it with.

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Originally posted by darthbane77
We know nothing surrounding the creation of the First Order, it simply means he was powerful enough or had a high enough rank to gather the remnant of the Empire under his control. Deferring to somebody who knows more about a subject than you do is not sign of being a good leader, it's common ****ing sense. The fact that Vapaad was the reason Windu "won" that fight isn't speculation when Sidious has feats and accolades a swordsman surpassing non-Vapaad amped Windu's. I see you also failed to counter my comparison comment, which means you obviously have nothing to counter it with.

Deferring to anyone under you is great leadership. A leader not listening to people underneath him if they agree is Trumpesque. That's clearly false. Hux went to him when his plan went awry. Snoke is the leader and the one in charge of the final decisions.

Speculation. Windu won. Quit being biased and excusing the poor performance by Sidious.

What comparison comment ?

Vader also convinced Palpatine not to kill Luke. How did that turn out for him ? I guess Palpatine was the worst since he let his subordinate change his mind which resulted in his death.

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darthbane77 Senior Member

Originally posted by quanchi112
Deferring to anyone under you is great leadership. A leader not listening to people underneath him if they agree is Trumpesque. That's clearly false. Hux went to him when his plan went awry. Snoke is the leader and the one in charge of the final decisions.
Speculation. Windu won. Quit being biased and excusing the poor performance by Sidious.
What comparison comment ?
Vader also convinced Palpatine not to kill Luke. How did that turn out for him ? I guess Palpatine was the worst since he let his subordinate change his mind which resulted in his death.
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You're speculating that Windu won without any aid from Vapaad, hypocrite. Again, Snoke has ZERO instances where he strategized events on a battlefield. He can't be a great strategist if he has no feats concerning strategy, giving orders and letting suboordinates do what they want isn't strategy. NOTHING you've said about him suggests a strategic mind. "Let's look at it this way, the President of the United States gives orders to the Generals in the military right? The President says, "we need to capture this place or this person" and then he commands the general to do so. The GENERAL is then the one that goes about allocating resources and making the plan to complete said objective, THAT is strategizing. Snoke is the president, he tells them what to do; but THEY decide how to do it." This was my comparison comment, which you failed to counter effectively.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That is clearly false as we see Snoke is clearly overseeing the battle strategy and is the guy Hux runs back to when the resistance destroyed Starkiller base.
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This was your response to it, the only argument you made was a bullshit argument based on something that never happened. We HAVE NOT seen Snoke strategize a battle.

darthbane77 Senior Member

I accept your silence as concession.

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