Originally posted by darthbane77No, you are misrepresenting my position. You made the claim he only won due to vapaad. I said he won which is a fact. If you want to prove the why then the onus is on you.
You're speculating that Windu won without any aid from Vapaad, hypocrite. Again, Snoke has ZERO instances where he strategized events on a battlefield. He can't be a great strategist if he has no feats concerning strategy, giving orders and letting suboordinates do what they want isn't strategy. NOTHING you've said about him suggests a strategic mind. "Let's look at it this way, the President of the United States gives orders to the Generals in the military right? The President says, "we need to capture this place or this person" and then he commands the general to do so. The GENERAL is then the one that goes about allocating resources and making the plan to complete said objective, THAT is strategizing. Snoke is the president, he tells them what to do; but THEY decide how to do it." This was my comparison comment, which you failed to counter effectively.This was your response to it, the only argument you made was a bullshit argument based on something that never happened. We HAVE NOT seen Snoke strategize a battle.
He oriented his galactic forces position. I never said in the midst of battle he used strategy. He was off world during the entire film you dumbass. He agreed with Hux's ideas. That's deferring and ultimately allowing it to take place.
Snoke isn't like a president. He is the one who will finish Ren's training and he obviously possesses knowledge in the force which could be pivotal in using an enhanced awareness to aid in strategy.
Yes, we have. We just haven't seen him be on the battlefield yet due to him being off world.
Originally posted by quanchi112Allowing others to make the plans is not strategizing, as I have said numerous times. You obviously don't understand what strategizing actually is. He let others make the plans, that's a fact. I guess I shouldn't expect any better from somebody that thinks Kylo>Vader and First Order>Empire though, somebody with these opinions already has some issues to work through.
No, you are misrepresenting my position. You made the claim he only won due to vapaad. I said he won which is a fact. If you want to prove the why then the onus is on you.He oriented his galactic forces position. I never said in the midst of battle he used strategy. He was off world during the entire film you dumbass. He agreed with Hux's ideas. That's deferring and ultimately allowing it to take place.
Snoke isn't like a president. He is the one who will finish Ren's training and he obviously possesses knowledge in the force which could be pivotal in using an enhanced awareness to aid in strategy.
Yes, we have. We just haven't seen him be on the battlefield yet due to him being off world.
Originally posted by darthbane77We see him strategize himself and oversee all final decisions. He told Hux what to do when they lost the base aka strategizing.
Allowing others to make the plans is not strategizing, as I have said numerous times. You obviously don't understand what strategizing actually is. He let others make the plans, that's a fact. I guess I shouldn't expect any better from somebody that thinks Kylo>Vader and First Order>Empire though, somebody with these opinions already has some issues to work through.
In terms of evil absolutely. Vader fell victim to the light. What a pussy.
The empire was laughable at best. Look at how routinely awful they are in the films, rebels series, etc.
Originally posted by quanchi112So telling Hux to go find Kylo is strategizing? Lol no, that's a simplistic command; not a strategy. Not even in terms of evil, Kylo will eventually return to the light as Vader did; and Vader did countless evil things far worse than Kylo killing Han. "The Empire was laughable at best", lol no. ANH, they were ORDERED to suck, in Empire they ****ing WON and they curbed the Rebellion at Hoth, in ROTJ they lost because Sidious' attention was taken off of using Battle Meditation or something like that. They lost in ROTJ for a reason, that Thrawn couldn't explain, if I remember correctly. They suck in the Rebels series because it's a goddamn kid's show you stupid shit.
We see him strategize himself and oversee all final decisions. He told Hux what to do when they lost the base aka strategizing.In terms of evil absolutely. Vader fell victim to the light. What a pussy.
The empire was laughable at best. Look at how routinely awful they are in the films, rebels series, etc.
Originally posted by darthbane77Regrouping is a strategy. Speculation but what we know now is he eclipsed Vader in evil.
So telling Hux to go find Kylo is strategizing? Lol no, that's a simplistic command; not a strategy. Not even in terms of evil, Kylo will eventually return to the light as Vader did; and Vader did countless evil things far worse than Kylo killing Han. "The Empire was laughable at best", lol no. ANH, they were ORDERED to suck, in Empire they ****ing WON and they curbed the Rebellion at Hoth, in ROTJ they lost because Sidious' attention was taken off of using Battle Meditation or something like that. They lost in ROTJ for a reason, that Thrawn couldn't explain, if I remember correctly. They suck in the Rebels series because it's a goddamn kid's show you stupid shit.
Sidious delivered the empire in his arrogance as well as handed himself ver to the skywalkers like a true schmuck. In ESB Vader failed to covert or bring in Luke. Laughable. They didn't kill anyone vital to the rebels group in ESB.
The movies are kids films as well so quit making excuses as to why you can't accept facts. You're a biased curr.
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Classically, this term refers to military retreats and the regrouping of forces. Since military confrontations are commonly thought of as consisting of a series of battles, it is generally considered to be good planning to retreat
Originally posted by quanchi112
Regrouping is a strategy. Speculation but what we know now is he eclipsed Vader in evil.Sidious delivered the empire in his arrogance as well as handed himself ver to the skywalkers like a true schmuck. In ESB Vader failed to covert or bring in Luke. Laughable. They didn't kill anyone vital to the rebels group in ESB.
The movies are kids films as well so quit making excuses as to why you can't accept facts. You're a biased curr.
1- Regrouping is common sense, but I will concede that specific instance was a somewhat strategic move; it still hardly justifies him being compared to the likes of Revan, Thrawn and Vader.
2- Vader failing to convert Luke is laughable? ****ing how? Luke witnessed Vader kill Ben and Vader had just cut his ****ing hand off, I'd say Luke wouldn't have been to eager to join up with the guy that killed his mentor and then mutilated him.
3- The movies aren't strictly kid's movies, some of them are PG-13; that's not a kid's movie.
4- How am I not accepting facts when you haven't said anything that was a fact? You're so biased that you can't even see it.
Originally posted by darthbane771. So you concede to me. Great. I do not argue non canon. Canon only. Vader blew it big time in all three films.
1- Regrouping is common sense, but I will concede that specific instance was a somewhat strategic move; it still hardly justifies him being compared to the likes of Revan, Thrawn and Vader.2- Vader failing to convert Luke is laughable? ****ing how? Luke witnessed Vader kill Ben and Vader had just cut his ****ing hand off, I'd say Luke wouldn't have been to eager to join up with the guy that killed his mentor and then mutilated him.
3- The movies aren't strictly kid's movies, some of them are PG-13; that's not a kid's movie.
4- How am I not accepting facts when you haven't said anything that was a fact? You're so biased that you can't even see it.
2. Vader was the one seduced to change teams not Luke. Vader was weak and not even genuine unto himself which made him a lifetime fraud. Weak.
3. They were made as kids films so what ? You tried to cite that as an excuse for poor performances. Quit ignoring the facts.
4. How am I biased ?
Originally posted by quanchi112
1. So you concede to me. Great. I do not argue non canon. Canon only. Vader blew it big time in all three films.2. Vader was the one seduced to change teams not Luke. Vader was weak and not even genuine unto himself which made him a lifetime fraud. Weak.
3. They were made as kids films so what ? You tried to cite that as an excuse for poor performances. Quit ignoring the facts.
4. How am I biased ?
I didn't concede the argument, I granted you a small victory in a entire debate's worth of defeat. Yet Vader still did more evil shit than Kylo has done. The movies are meant for all ages, not just kids. Rebels IS a kid's show, they can't make the Empire as powerful as they were in other mediums because the Rebels would fail instantly. You're biased because you keep arguing that Snoke was a good strategist despite making ONE somewhat strategic call and claiming that Kylo is more evil than Vader despite Vader doing things far worse than Kylo killing Han. Can you really be this ****ing stupid?
Originally posted by darthbane77Vader had more time to do so but when the time came he failed to turn on his son. When Ben Solo's time came he achieved greatness. Same as the shows, dumbass.
I didn't concede the argument, I granted you a small victory in a entire debate's worth of defeat. Yet Vader still did more evil shit than Kylo has done. The movies are meant for all ages, not just kids. Rebels IS a kid's show, they can't make the Empire as powerful as they were in other mediums because the Rebels would fail instantly. You're biased because you keep arguing that Snoke was a good strategist despite making ONE somewhat strategic call and claiming that Kylo is more evil than Vader despite Vader doing things far worse than Kylo killing Han. Can you really be this ****ing stupid?
Your opinion isn't a fact. Quit speculating. Your opinion doesn't matter. Accept they are shit because they clearly are.
Killing your own family member is more evil than killing a non family member. Han Solo loved his son. Luke loved his father but Vader failed. He's a piece of shit. Glad he died in dark side shame.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Vader had more time to do so but when the time came he failed to turn on his son. When Ben Solo's time came he achieved greatness. Same as the shows, dumbass.Your opinion isn't a fact. Quit speculating. Your opinion doesn't matter. Accept they are shit because they clearly are.
Killing your own family member is more evil than killing a non family member. Han Solo loved his son. Luke loved his father but Vader failed. He's a piece of shit. Glad he died in dark side shame.
So killing ****ing children is better than killing an aging Han Solo? Thank God, somebody tell the Sandy Hook killer that. Lol, your logic is so ****ed it's not even funny. Again, Kylo didn't feel at all like he thought he was going to upon Han's death; he felt physically bad, almost sick. Instead of a rush of power or strength like he expected he felt a rush of "I feel like a total dick right now." You wanking Kylo and underraing Vader is irrelevant to fact. I think I'm about done with this debate, you obviously too mother****ing retarded to have any intelligent conversation or even remotely see any form of reason. Your bias is obvious, and I'm not the only one that doesn't take you seriously. You're a piece of shit, your opinions are shit, your logic and reasoning are shit. Now, I feel like having an INTELLIGENT discussion with somebody who actually has an idea of what they're ****ing talking about.
Originally posted by darthbane77No, it isn't since those weren't his kids. He killed his own father. HIS OWN.
So killing ****ing children is better than killing an aging Han Solo? Thank God, somebody tell the Sandy Hook killer that. Lol, your logic is so ****ed it's not even funny. Again, Kylo didn't feel at all like he thought he was going to upon Han's death; he felt physically bad, almost sick. Instead of a rush of power or strength like he expected he felt a rush of "I feel like a total dick right now." You wanking Kylo and underraing Vader is irrelevant to fact. I think I'm about done with this debate, you obviously too mother****ing retarded to have any intelligent conversation or even remotely see any form of reason. Your bias is obvious, and I'm not the only one that doesn't take you seriously. You're a piece of shit, your opinions are shit, your logic and reasoning are shit. Now, I feel like having an INTELLIGENT discussion with somebody who actually has an idea of what they're ****ing talking about.
Your opinion is worthless. That's fine he recognized the conflict since he's genuine unlike Vader who had self denial going on until the bitter end.
You had a meltdown and conceded a point to me which makes me the winner. If you can't be a man and debate me then begone you Jezebel. Snoke as I said followed by Maul.
Originally posted by quanchi112Lol, you haven't seen me meltdown yet asshat. I'm not debating anymore because this is going in circles, you keep spouting bullshit and I keep proving you wrong. It's not a debate, it's a cluster****. You haven't won shit, I'm simply refusing to feed the troll any longer.
No, it isn't since those weren't his kids. He killed his own father. HIS OWN.Your opinion is worthless. That's fine he recognized the conflict since he's genuine unlike Vader who had self denial going on until the bitter end.
You had a meltdown and conceded a point to me which makes me the winner. If you can't be a man and debate me then begone you Jezebel. Snoke as I said followed by Maul.
Originally posted by darthbane77Your opinion isn't proof. You ignore that Vader failed against his son while Ben Solo triumphed against his father. That's a similar situation to a family member who loves you. One rose to the occasion one didn't. Kylo had the villagers all executed at the beginning but they meant nothing to him so why bring about murdering strangers you dumb****.
Lol, you haven't seen me meltdown yet asshat. I'm not debating anymore because this is going in circles, you keep spouting bullshit and I keep proving you wrong. It's not a debate, it's a cluster****. You haven't won shit, I'm simply refusing to feed the troll any longer.
You conceded to me you weak pile of goldfish crap. I win.