Darth Nyriss vs Act III HoT

Started by SunRazer3 pages

Obi-Wan isn't taking any of the protags in Force 😬

Especially if HoT's above Barsen'thor, whose door feats and ability to destroy entire armies with the Force are simply beyond Kenobi's paygrade.

Wait, when did Barsen destroy entire armies?

The website claims he can.

Quote, please. HoT needed an amplification from Valky to unleash a Force Wave that murked maybe a dozen or so people, so I doubt he can go army-buster.

The Consular’s powers go far beyond meditation and mediation, and nothing illustrates this as vividly as their graceful movements in battle. Whether beset by an army of assassin droids or caught in the middle of soured negotiations, the Jedi Consular fights with an open conduit for the Force; manipulating massive forces to disable or even destroy their enemies.

-- http://www.swtor.com/holonet/classes/jedi-consular

So 'Thor can disable or destroy an army of assassin droids. 👆

The only problem is 'Thor has never been surrounded by a legitimate army of assassin droids, so this is just flowery hype for a game-class character, which is what the website and trailers primarily serve a purpose for.

I believe you brought up how the feats in the game-trailers meant to hype the product up should be taken with a grain of salt, recently? The website should be the same.

I questioned the progression trailer, not the main class trailer.

It's still just for commercial sakes, more than anything, because if 'Thor really is meant to be facing an army of assassin droids, then, well, EA has weird definitions of the word "army", I suppose.

Also, Barsen'Thor knows techniques like Electronic Manipulation that can disable droids, so... yeah 🙂

It's funny how new material is so hard for others to accept these days.

And using Electronic Manipulation on an army is still beyond Obi-Wan's paygrade, lmfao.

Originally posted by SunRazer
It's funny how new material is so hard for others to accept these days.

And using Electronic Manipulation on an army is still beyond Obi-Wan's paygrade, lmfao.

It's not hard to accept, it's just it completely seem to invalidate some limits placed within sources. Like I can post quotes about Obi being a respectable fraction of lightspeed, and argue he blitzes Barsen'Thor, but that'd just be stupid.

Also, we don't know how s/he takes down an army. We know s/he uses the Force for it, but is it just army one-shotting TK, or is it her/him battling his way through it with TK, lightsabers skills and other techniques ala Mace Windu?

Because of it's the latter -- and the more likely -- I'd argue Kenobi can definitely do it.

Originally posted by MythLord
It's not hard to accept, it's just it completely seem to invalidate some limits placed within sources. Like I can post quotes about Obi being a respectable fraction of lightspeed, and argue he blitzes Barsen'Thor, but that'd just be stupid.

Also, we don't know how s/he takes down an army. We know s/he uses the Force for it, but is it just army one-shotting TK, or is it her/him battling his way through it with TK, lightsabers skills and other techniques ala Mace Windu?

Because of it's the latter -- and the more likely -- I'd argue Kenobi can definitely do it.

That doesn't prove he'd blitz anything, since it isn't relative. That just brings everybody up more.

It says manipulating massive forces to disable or destroy. So it's not lightsaber attacks, just telekinesis.

Originally posted by SunRazer
That doesn't prove he'd blitz anything, since it isn't relative. That just brings everybody up more.

It says manipulating massive forces to disable or destroy. So it's not lightsaber attacks, just telekinesis.

It is relative to him, and would only bring up Tyranus, Anakin, Sidious, Mace or Yoda, sure... But not Barsen'Thor.

Massive forces is more than just telekinesis, however. And s/he obviously isn't one-shotting armies with a single telekinetic blast. It is likely it's just continuous burst of TK to take out squad after squad, which I can definitely see Kenobi doing if he actually decides to unleash his TK.

1. It'd bring up any respectable Jedi, unless you can explain why Jedi in the PT era suddenly have vastly greater perceptions.

2. I didn't say it was necessarily a one-shot, but it isn't "obvious" that that's not the case. There's just nothing else identified, but presumably, it's quick. Not too many telekinetic blasts.

How is being comparable to one of the most powerful and greatest Jedi of all time a bad thing? Being one of the greatest Jedi of your shitty era doesn't even begin to compare to Kenobi's accolades.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
How is being comparable to one of the most powerful and greatest Jedi of all time a bad thing? Being one of the greatest Jedi of your shitty era doesn't even begin to compare to Kenobi's accolades.

KEK at Kenobi being the greatest Jedi of all time.

I really don't see HoT being above 'Thor in Force. Imo, he's below 'Thor in Force, not substantially but noticeably, but can handle all of her attacks without getting overwhelmed.

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They See me trolling, they hating......

Originally posted by SunRazer
The community has them as sub-Kenobi.

This is mostly be powerscaling them down from Arcann and Vitiate.

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. It'd bring up any respectable Jedi, unless you can explain why Jedi in the PT era suddenly have vastly greater perceptions.

Even though the quote is only relevant to Kenobi? Hardly. It'd bring the PTers up a few notches, but certainly not TOR, who has a habit of making non-Force sensitives capable of killing Jedi and Sith.

Originally posted by SunRazer
2. I didn't say it was necessarily a one-shot, but it isn't "obvious" that that's not the case. There's just nothing else identified, but presumably, it's quick. Not too many telekinetic blasts.

Yeah, it is obvious when HoT, who is meant to rival/surpass 'Thor, needs the aid of Valkorion to one-shot a squad of non-Force sensitives easily. So it wasn't a one-shot, and there's no quick about it, just that 'Thor manages to finally destroy them after a struggle.

Given padawan Annie has fought droid armies, and murked them similarly, and Kenobi stalemated a more powerful version of the character, I'm willing to argue it is within Obi's capabilities to kill squad after squad of fodder.