Originally posted by Surtur
I had assumed Hydra gave Bucky the super soldier serum?
They did. It's part of the Civil War plot line with the other 5 Winter Soldiers. Plus, as with the other info the Russos revealed in TWS commentary, they explicitly confirm during the climax battle that both Cap and Bucky are super soldiers.
I agree, that is probably his beat feat. I think the Engineer's feat of resisting that giant alien octopus thing for as long as he did is pretty equivalent or better. Him ripping the head off of cyborg with ease is also right there. Again could even be better depending on what he was made out of and how durable. I'm guessing with the technology he was embedded with, and the things he showed, I doubt they made him like glass.. he's probably pretty damn durable. Plus the Engineer was casually throwing around grown men with ease.
As I said, I think they are all right there.
I was think about it last where Cap was running through the building crashing through a door and Predator destroying the door in Predator 2 in the complex.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEAOQw4QaP4
https://youtu.be/BEAOQw4QaP4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPefdeBDARs
https://youtu.be/qXPOl6EjbWg
Originally posted by Surtur
Yeah but Pred doesn't have anything on the level of the helicopter feat.
I think you're a little off when you say.... nothing to match. I've brought this up before, and it's applicable, Thanos or Odin don't have any strength feats matching the Helicopter feat of Cap... so they aren't stronger? Of course they are. Heroes always have feats like that, that is what they need to do to save the world. Bad guys don't have such feats. Think about it..
In in comics where thanos has hundreds of appearance how often do you see him lifting anything? Rarely if ever. Yet, when see him casually backhanding the hulk or thor... through power scaling we know he could likely match most of their strength feats if not surpass them. Same thing here...
We see Dutch lifting the back of a truck of the ground. By himself he was pulling up a huge tree log. that probably weighed, would guess, over a thousand pounds. Predator was casually overpowering him. He casually lifted him off the ground with one arm with utmost ease. Think about how strong you'd have to be to carry grown men 30 or 40 feet up a tree. You'd have to be incredible strong. Him even ripping of the head and entire spin in one pull would take incredible strength.
Again, the Engineer Alien Octopus feat I think is better than Cap's helicopter feat.
Originally posted by golem370
I seriously doubt that log weighed a 1000lbs maybe 500lbs
From this site and others, it all depends on what type of would it is. At minimum though, it would be 500 pounds. It could be over 1000 as well. Just depends,
https://extension.tennessee.edu/publications/Documents/SP748.pdf
Point is, the predator was casually dealing with somebody who was that strong.
Originally posted by Inhuman
What about Cap throwing a motorcycle so hard it caved in a military jeeps front and threw it up in the air as well from the force.
Also lifting up that multi ton beam up to escape the rubble in WS.
Both pretty impressive, though with the motorcycle feat there was obviously momentum involved in that one.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Both pretty impressive, though with the motorcycle feat there was obviously momentum involved in that one.
If the motorcycle crashed into the military Jeep head on, suicide style at full speed, it would not have cause the type of damage the cap throw did to the front of the Jeep. And certainly would not have thrown the Jeep in the air.
Originally posted by SurturThe helicopter feat wasnt that great. A chopper that size has a load capacity of about 1000lbs or less. Also people can pull more than twice the weight they can lift. 2 really strong men could have achieved that feat.
Yeah but Pred doesn't have anything on the level of the helicopter feat.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I think you're a little off when you say.... nothing to match. I've brought this up before, and it's applicable, Thanos or Odin don't have any strength feats matching the Helicopter feat of Cap... so they aren't stronger? Of course they are. Heroes always have feats like that, that is what they need to do to save the world. Bad guys don't have such feats. Think about it..In in comics where thanos has hundreds of appearance how often do you see him lifting anything? Rarely if ever. Yet, when see him casually backhanding the hulk or thor... through power scaling we know he could likely match most of their strength feats if not surpass them. Same thing here...
We see Dutch lifting the back of a truck of the ground. By himself he was pulling up a huge tree log. that probably weighed, would guess, over a thousand pounds. Predator was casually overpowering him. He casually lifted him off the ground with one arm with utmost ease. Think about how strong you'd have to be to carry grown men 30 or 40 feet up a tree. You'd have to be incredible strong. Him even ripping of the head and entire spin in one pull would take incredible strength.
Again, the Engineer Alien Octopus feat I think is better than Cap's helicopter feat.
The problem is that we have to go by what characters do on screen. So to take Odin for an example, all we've seen him do is blast people with his staff. Does he have superhuman strength? Yes, all Asgardians have some level of it, but his level of strength is unknown. Thus there would be no basis to say Odin is physically stronger than Thor, since Thor has better feats.
Dutch did have some decent feats like the ones you described, but they don't exactly match the helicopter feat.
We also have to remember some characters just aren't good for debates. The ones who really don't do much, but are implied to have great power..just don't fit in with the whole "feats" thing.
It's an example of why the system isn't perfect, but the alternative is to just go by implied power.
Originally posted by h1a8
The helicopter feat wasnt that great. A chopper that size has a load capacity of about 1000lbs or less. Also people can pull more than twice the weight they can lift. 2 really strong men could have achieved that feat.
You talk about the load capacity but what about the weight of the overall helicopter?
Also remember it was actively trying to take off. You think two really strong men could pull down a helicopter as it is trying to take off?