Captain America Bench Challenge

Originally posted by Surtur
The problem is that we have to go by what characters do on screen. So to take Odin for an example, all we've seen him do is blast people with his staff. Does he have superhuman strength? Yes, all Asgardians have some level of it, but his level of strength is unknown. Thus there would be no basis to say Odin is physically stronger than Thor, since Thor has better feats.

Dutch did have some decent feats like the ones you described, but they don't exactly match the helicopter feat.

We also have to remember some characters just aren't good for debates. The ones who really don't do much, but are implied to have great power..just don't fit in with the whole "feats" thing.

It's an example of why the system isn't perfect, but the alternative is to just go by implied power.

No I understand what you're saying, and it does make it tough. I suppose the middle ground between the two is the right choice. I agree some people are hard to gauge because of their lack of strength "feats" you can quantify.

Would you say the Engineer's alien Octopus feat is on superior, on par, or less than Cap's helicopter feat.

Originally posted by h1a8
The helicopter feat wasnt that great. A chopper that size has a load capacity of about 1000lbs or less. Also people can pull more than twice the weight they can lift. 2 really strong men could have achieved that feat.

This is more reliable info than just making up things or guessing badly...

"I did a little research, and it turns out the helicopter that Steve is holding on to is a Eurocopter AS350 "Ecureuil" ("Squirrel"😉, which could have a takeoff weight of as little as 2,270 (not counting the pilot and fuel) or as much as 5,225 pounds (fully loaded high performance B3 variant).

More importantly, the aircraft's takeoff power ranges between 732 and 847 shaft horsepower (depending on the engine), and the diameter of the main rotor is 36.07 feet, meaning, if my calculations are correct, the lift it generates is between 10,000 and 11,000 pounds of thrust...

Rotary area = pi*(rotor diameter/2)^2 = 3210.1996177637161188 square feet

Power loading = (takeoff power)/(rotary area) = 0.2280232032766624694 to 0.2638465207313293874 horsepower per square foot

Thrust loading = 8.6859/(power loading)^0.3107 = 13.7496212954846786530247 to 13.140169091727853994312 pounds per horsepower

Lift = (thrust loading)*(takeoff power) = 10064.7227882947847740140804 to 11129.723220693492333182264 pounds of thrust

Upward force balanced by Cap = (lift) - (takeoff weight) = 4839.7227882947847740140804 to 8859.723220693492333182264 pounds

...which alone makes this makes this at least a 4,800 pound feat for Captain America, perhaps as much as 8,800.

...but he's at an oblique angle. I figure it's about 60 degrees from the vertical/thrust vector, which would make the load feel like 9,600-17,600 pounds! Which would make Cap about a five to eight-and-a-half tonner (tension through his arms and shoulders, anchored with one hand)!

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From some quick searching online, I've found some commercial helicopters similar to the one in the trailer that have a max take off weight of anywhere from 8,000 to 12,000 lbs. So Cap is preventing a helicopter from taking off that normally could still take off with 4-6 tons of resistance."

I might be wrong but it looked like Bucky tilted towards Steve at the end.

Originally posted by golem370
I might be wrong but it looked like Bucky tilted towards Steve at the end.

Still makes Caps feat in the 4-8 ton range. Based on these 2 people that did a bit or research instead of low-ball guessing

Originally posted by Inhuman
Still makes Caps feat in the 4-8 ton range. Based on these 2 people that did a bit or research instead of low-ball guessing

It's an impressive feat no doubt. Though I'm pretty sure those numbers are on the high side of things. Still impressive.

Originally posted by h1a8
The helicopter feat wasnt that great. A chopper that size has a load capacity of about 1000lbs or less. Also people can pull more than twice the weight they can lift. 2 really strong men could have achieved that feat.

Not really. Doing something like that is severely limited by grip strength.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

We see Dutch lifting the back of a truck of the ground. By himself he was pulling up a huge tree log. that probably weighed, would guess, over a thousand pounds. Predator was casually overpowering him. He casually lifted him off the ground with one arm with utmost ease. Think about how strong you'd have to be to carry grown men 30 or 40 feet up a tree. You'd have to be incredible strong. Him even ripping of the head and entire spin in one pull would take incredible strength.

Predator is strong and has some decent feats, but I think Cap casually grabbing the guy with one arm while riding a motorcycle and then throwing him 50 or so feet into a tree trumps anything the Predator did.

YouTube video

Also, everybody makes it a point to say that momentum was involved in the motorcycle throwing incident, but if you watch, the bike is completely stopped when he tosses it. If its momentum from Caps body flipping then i'll go along with that, but the bikes momentum had seized and had nothing to do with it.

I don't think there was anything casual about that toss at all really. I don't think it was max strength either, but I wouldn't say it was a walk I the park for him. There was momentum involved as well

KT doesn't learn.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I don't think there was anything casual about that toss at all really. I don't think it was max strength either, but I wouldn't say it was a walk I the park for him. There was momentum involved as well

So you could see from that clip how much Cap strained to throw the guy and also it must be evident that momentum was involved since he was riding a motorcycle?

Was momentum not involved? Is that what you're claiming here?

500 pounds to Cap should be easy to lift so its impressive but not out of the realm for him I mean he lifted that one with 3 120 pound women on it easy.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Was momentum not involved? Is that what you're claiming here?

He was riding a motorcycle and dragging a guy with one arm and then proceeded to throw him however long into a tree. How much credit are you giving this so called momentum? I don't see how simply riding a motorcycle contributes to him throwing a guy. If anything, it would make it more difficult.