Count Dooku/Ulic Qel-Droma vs. Arcann/Darth Krayt (Lightsabers only)

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Count Dooku/Ulic Qel-Droma vs. Arcann/Darth Krayt (Lightsabers only)

Duel takes place on neutral ground

Who wins

Team 1, Arcann's the weak link

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Team 1, Arcann's the weak link

Arcann's on par with Qel-Droma 😬

Nah.

What's Qel-Droma done that's better than Arcann fighting the Outlander to a standstill?

Being deemed an equal to Kun someone who should logically be more powerful then him.

And the Outlander was amped by a lightsaber.

1. There's nothing that leads me to believe that pre-saberstaff Kun is better than the Outlander with a blade.

2. The Outlander wasn't amped in their first duel, I don't believe. And even if they were, that only makes Arcann better, lol.

Kun is logically more powerful then Ulic. Wasn't referring to the Outlander. This being the case means Ulic is more technically skilled then Kun. This isn't taking into account his further growth in power.

He got the Godsaber before facing Arcann. The only time they fought before that Arcann defeated him as far as I'm aware. If you have evidence to the contrary feel free to post it.

Just being more powerful than someone doesn't necessarily make you more skilled. That doesn't mean Kun had more inherent ability than Ulic - necessarily. So no, it doesn't need to be balanced out with with Ulic being more "technically skilled", which he obviously wasn't, seeing that it was Kun who would go on to be the technically revolutionary guy with the saberstaff and the ability to alter blade intensity, etc.

Not that technicality matters between duelists of this caliber anyway.

Yes, I'm referring to the time that Arcann won (through ragdolling, not saber skill). You do realize that I'm arguing for Arcann, right? You're siding with him way too much and you're only strengthening my case.

Where did the Outlander was amped by a saber come from?

Originally posted by SunRazer
Arcann's on par with Qel-Droma 😬

😠 😱

Originally posted by SunRazer
Just being more powerful than someone doesn't necessarily make you more skilled. That doesn't mean Kun had more inherent ability than Ulic - necessarily. So no, it doesn't need to be balanced out with with Ulic being more "technically skilled", which he obviously wasn't, seeing that it was Kun who would go on to be the technically revolutionary guy with the saberstaff and the ability to alter blade intensity, etc.

Not that technicality matters between duelists of this caliber anyway.

Yes, I'm referring to the time that Arcann won (through ragdolling, not saber skill). You do realize that I'm arguing for Arcann, right? You're siding with him way too much and you're only strengthening my case.

No. I'm saying because Kun is logically more powerful at the time Ulic has to be more skilled to have been able to stalemate him due to Kun's superior augmentation, reflexes and precognition.

It does considering their power should be relatively even.

I'm just trying to establish the events you're referring to. You understand that the HoT was weakened at the time correct?

Arcann tips the scales in favor of his team. He wins easily over either Dooku or Droma.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
No. I'm saying because Kun is logically more powerful at the time Ulic has to be more skilled to have been able to stalemate him due to Kun's superior augmentation, reflexes and precognition.

It does considering their power should be relatively even.

I'm just trying to establish the events you're referring to. You understand that the HoT was weakened at the time correct?

I already told you that power doesn't necessarily lead to those, and Kun considered Ulic his rival in power regardless. There wouldn't have been any noticeable disparity in augmentation, reflexes, precognition, etc, just as there was none with regard to skill.

How so? He appeared fine to me.

Except it does. Power logically does lead to those except in a few select cases. Ragnos makes it clear who's the superior among those two.

He had been unfrozen from carbonite not long before and forced to fight through Zakuul Knights...

There wasn't any demonstrable disparity in precognition or augmentation. As I said, any gaps there are negligible. Ragnos made it clear who's stronger, but not by how much. Kun claimed Ulic was a rival by this point, so at this point, one would assume that they were close in power. And given that augmentation and other things represent a mere fraction of one's power, this slight power advantage would not bring any noticeable disparity in augmentation or precognition, as the fight between them shows.

HoT makes a living out of fighting mobs before the boss. Not sure how long ago he was in the carbonite, so I won't comment on that.

Still a factor.

Still a factor.

Do you know what "negligible" means? It means it's not worth taking into account. And certainly, by all means, it appears that way from the fight itself.

You're drawing wild conclusions and at this point, it's entirely speculation. There's no proof that Kun's superior strength was a factor, and as I recall, Ulic matched him just fine. Everything else is just your speculation.

You have no proof that it's negligible. Kun has FAR superior force feats to Ulic by the time they were to engage in a duel. If you'll recall Sidious considered Maul a rival even though he was outclassed.

Your assuming that it was Ulic's comparitive power that allowed him to do so though which you have no evidence of.

It's not speculation to say that fighting through armies of Zakuul Knights right after he was released from carbonite freezing would substantially weaken the HoT.