Originally posted by tkitna
The SUV feat was his best. Other than that, I didn't think anything else was all that impressive. He moved some concrete, threw a couch, and ripped a stove, freezer or two out of the wall. If he was chucking cars or something then I would be impressed.
He did a bit more than that, as seen in both the posts above yours. And Colossus threw a tire, shifted some concrete, slapped around someone far weaker than him (Wade), and was nearly choked out by Angel Dust, so how is he much more impressive? The fact that Luke did the SUV feat shows that he can operate on that level when necessary. He just restrains himself 99% of the time.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Do you think Colossus was restraining himself vs Angel Dust?
He might have been. It seemed like it, but we can't know 100% for sure. However, we know for a fact that Luke was restraining himself throughout the series.
Look, I myself have said that I feel like Colossus should be stronger (and I have also stated that I think he wins). But his feats are severely limited compared to Luke, and it's not like he himself was tossing cars, and he most definitely is not comparable to someone like the Hulk at this point. Fact is that if we objectively compare their current best strength feats, there is not that much in it.
Originally posted by golem370
Could Luke withstand the choke hold Angel put on Colossus with the wire? Would DP have broken his bones on Luke Cage like he did on Colossus?
Probably not, in terms of the choke, but it's not like Colossus was handling it either. He was screwed if it wasn't for Negasonic. And there is a chance Wade would have broken his hand against Luke. One of Cottonmouth's goons, who is supposedly known for hitting exceptionally hard, shattered his entire forearm punching Cage in the jaw. Now he isn't Wade, but if he pretty much destroyed his hand, wrist and forearm, Wade would most likely at least of damaged his hand.
Originally posted by golem370
I don't know if it was going to hurt or kill Colossus she just had him blocked from retaliation.
So you think movie Colossus can survive indefinitely without oxygen? Even though he appeared to be visibly choking? She had him in a position where she was choking him out and he couldn't counter, and he visibly appeared to be in pain and struggling. So I don't see how that is just "blocking" him from "retaliation". She had him dead to rights.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Not just his wrist. The bone of his forearm popped out of the skin, like a split second after that screenshot. You can even see it there pressing against the skin already.
Hmmm, I remember that but was too lazy to go on Netflix to get a screenshot and wasn't sure I remembered correctly so I tried to play it safe 😛
Originally posted by golem370
Would DP have broken his bones on Luke Cage like he did on Colossus?
Better question, do you think Cage would have taken getting his head bashed into a steel beam twice by Angel Dust and be able to continue to fight on like nothing happened? :40 second mark.
Originally posted by tkitna
Great, so now Cage is going to be measured with the old Superman fallacy,,,,always holding back.
No fallacy. He explicitly stated that he holds back because he doesn't want to kill anyone. It's at the end of the first episode, when he takes out the goons for that old Asian couple. And we visibly see that when push comes to shove, he can do things like stop a speeding SUV dead in its tracks by shoulderchecking it. And I find it funny that you accuse me of a fallacy when I directly use onscreen evidence, and in your next post state that Colossus was holding back, when there is nothing genuinely concrete to support that assertion.
I'm not actually accusing you directly. I realize it was said on screen and you aren't the only person to bring it up. Its just Cage didn't go up against the hardest of competition. I want to see him tangle with some real super powered characters so we can get a better grasp.
As for Colossus holding back, Angel Dust is a girl. He had her on the ropes and completely stopped to warn her that her *** was hanging out. I don't think he was going 100% in that fight. To each their own though.
Originally posted by tkitna
I'm not actually accusing you directly. I realize it was said on screen and you aren't the only person to bring it up. Its just Cage didn't go up against the hardest of competition. I want to see him tangle with some real super powered characters so we can get a better grasp.As for Colossus holding back, Angel Dust is a girl. He had her on the ropes and completely stopped to warn her that her *** was hanging out. I don't think he was going 100% in that fight. To each their own though.
Well, he did pretty much end Diamondback with one proper hit, once he stopped dicking around in their fight. Admittedly, Diamondback is not the greatest opponent, but he was definitely well above regular human. But that match was kinda dumb in anyways. Luke should just have been able to pull off his helm (it didn't appear attached to the rest of the suit), or the enormous, flashing power pack on his back. But they needed to contrive some way to have a climactic battle.
And the thing is, like I said, I feel Colossus should really be stronger. Because traditionally, in the comics, he outclasses Luke by some margin. He should be tossing buses etc. IMO, never mind cars. Especially in the Foxverse, where they are not exactly shy with power levels. But, at the end of the day, he has probably between 5-10 minutes of total screen time where he is actually in action, so his feats are extremely limited.