Tier List: Combatants

This is for Legends combatants, based on their general ability in a one vs. one match-up with a 15 or so meter starting distance.

New lines that aren't run-ons delineate gaps; other than that, no ordering within a tier.

Mortis tier:
The Father, Mortakin
The Daughter, The Son
Full power Abeloth

(big gap)

Entity tier:
Zonoma Sekot, FotJ Abeloth

Oneness tier:
Oneness Jacen
Oneness/super-saiyan Luke

Luke tier:
post-pool Soresu Taalon, DN-FotJ Luke
TUF Luke
Lord Nyax (amp)
Star by Star Luke
DE Sidious, Vector Prime (beginning of NJO) Luke

Yoda tier:
Black Fleet Crisis Luke, RotJ Sidious, Zonakin
RotS Sidious, Yoda
TPM Sidious (post-Plagueis death)
(modest gap)
Plagueis, Valkorion
SWTOR Vitiate

Vader tier:
novel Vitiate, Darth Caedus, Darth Krayt, Darth Tenebrous, DE Luke
RotJ Vader, Exar Kun, SoR Revan, Anakin Skywalker
Revan Reborn, Galen Marek, Jacen Solo, Kyp Durron
KotOR Revan

Dooku tier:
Freedon Nadd, Mace Windu
Dooku, Naga Sadow, Arcann, Darth Revan, RotJ Luke
TCW Anakin, Darth Malak, Shaak Ti
Jaina Solo

Obi Wan tier:
HoT, Darth Malak, Darth Jadus
Obi Wan, Darth Maul
Barsen'thor, Darth Bane, Kyle Katarn
Darth Zannah, Satele Shan

B-team tier:
Kit Fisto, TPM Maul, Ventress, Grievous, ESB Luke
Darth Thanaton, Agen Kolar, Qui Gon, Scourge, AotC Anakin
PoD Bane
Kas'im, Rastka Lsu

Council tier:
Ki-adi Mundi
Lord Hoth, TPM Obi Wan
Aayla Secura, Tahiri Veila

Brotherhood tier:
Kaan
Qordis, Kopecz
Tionne

Sirak tier:
Average PT era Jedi master, novel Scourge
Sirak

This is tentative, of course. The Vader-Dooku tiers are relatively close together, as are Obi Wan and B-team.

What do you people think?

"Council tier". Also, you think Qui-Gon's up there with the B-team?

Exar's in Yoda tier.

Nope, he is absolutely right where Ellimist has him, in Vader's tier.

I'd put Revan in Yoda tier.

I'd put Kylo in Obi-Wan tier 😉

I'd put Tholme in Kenobi tier 🙂

I would put UnuThul in Luke tier.

Originally posted by Trocity
Nope, he is absolutely right where Ellimist has him, in Vader's tier.

Trocity, I'm sorry friend - for all your time on here - you've never contributed much to this board other than statements of opinion. You can't call this, you're not qualified, as someone so biased that you would try to wriggle Vong Krayt above his obvious superiors - Murr/Pall. Exar Kun has one shotted someone stronger than Vader, and if that doesn't make him Yoda tier than nothing else should. You can try to argue this, but I know that's not your MO. Revan and possible Reborn Krayt should be raised too.

Having Nadd and Shaak Ti in the same tier is an insult to SW. Disgusting.

Nadd is a solid Vader Teir as someone who soloed an army of Beast Riders.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Nadd is a solid Vader Teir as someone who soloed an army of Beast Riders.

Quote?

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Trocity, I'm sorry friend - for all your time on here - you've never contributed much to this board other than statements of opinion.

Yeah, that's kind of my thing.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
You can't call this, you're not qualified, as someone so biased that you would try to wriggle Vong Krayt above his obvious superiors - Murr/Pall.

oo, I dunno about biased, but yeah, Vong Krayt's fairly underrated; as someone who was at one point arguing he's as fast(or faster) as(than) Palpatine, not sure why you're trying to flip the script on me here. 😉 If you mean the Vong Krayt vs Pall thread, I, like Nova, thought it was peak Krayt. After realizing it wasn't, I didn't correct myself, because again, who really gives a shit? All I do is post one-liners on this dumpster fire site, anyway.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Exar Kun has one shotted someone stronger than Vader, and if that doesn't make him Yoda tier than nothing else should.

I thought you had finally acknowledged in another thread Kun was much closer to the Vader's of the world than Palpatine. What changed?

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
You can try to argue this, but I know that's not your MO.

Pretty much. 👆

Woah. The dumpster fire of KMC just got a little bigger with the roast you just laid down Troc.

Id put Revan in Yoda tier he isnt far behind him.

Also what about Ancient Sith Lords

Karness Murr

Tulak Horde

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
I'd put Kylo in Obi-Wan tier 😉

Dooku's tier shouldn't exist. Dooku, Mace and Arcann in the same tier with Shaak Ti or Malak? Darth Revan >> Malak tbh.

Dooku, Mace, Arcann and Darth Revan should be in Vader's tier, the rest should be in Kenobi's tier

Originally posted by SunRazer
"Council tier".

Didn't know what else to call it, tbh.

Also, you think Qui-Gon's up there with the B-team?

I'd say so. I think in his prime he's probably on par with TPM Maul; didn't the novelization hint that his age was a major factor in his loss?

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I should also adjust Kyp upwards, at least when he's acting competently.

Originally posted by McP
Dooku's tier shouldn't exist. Dooku, Mace and Arcann in the same tier with Shaak Ti or Malak? Darth Revan >> Malak tbh.

I think the Shaak Ti in The Force Unleashed is on a whole different level from the one in OCW. That would explain why she is able to gain the upper hand against Galen Marek on multiple occasions; Galen by this point already has many of his most spectacular feats on his resume.

Dooku, Mace, Arcann and Darth Revan should be in Vader's tier, the rest should be in Kenobi's tier

Maybe. I don't get the impression that Arcann is anywhere near a full powered Valkorion though, and it's difficult to fit all of the incarnations of Revan in that way while still maintaining his officially supported inferiority to Yoda (and Vitiate).

Maul should be lowered.