Originally posted by The Ellimist
Desean > JA Luke > DE Luke > Wankatine lmao
The Desann fight was circumstantial, but I'm sure you already know that. I'm also not arguing DE Luke > DE Sidious, because the latter still beats him in Force versatility. And then he grows even more powerful in DE II, where it seems he's surpassed Luke in raw power once more.
Originally posted by Azronger
Your point?My point still stands. Mind posting the quotes, though?
My point being that your obsession over sensing emotions is unnecessary.
Bastila turned the tide against the Star Forge's defenses with her Battle Meditation, even when she did it within the SF, which meant she'd be hindered.
The character has "greatly enhanced combat efficiency" or some such in SoR, even when Satele was using BM on the dark side nexus of Yavin IV. In RoT, the Jedi don't note being obstructed by the nexus, but instead note being enhanced by Worror's Meditation. It's not hard to imagine which took precedence.
A passive concentration of Force energies in an area shouldn't be overriding active Force powers 😬
Originally posted by Azronger
The Desann fight was circumstantial, but I'm sure you already know that. I'm also not arguing DE Luke > DE Sidious, because the latter still beats him in Force versatility. And then he grows even more powerful in DE II, where it seems he's surpassed Luke in raw power once more.
Wait, Palpatine grows more powerful in Empire's End? I thought he was weakening by that point.
People should keep in mind that Palpatine was using the cloned bodies to interact with the external environment during Dark Empire saga. His cloned bodies would deteriorate from exposure to his Dark practices with passage of time. And that in turn would compromise his effectiveness in combat situations.
Palpatine defeated Luke Skywalker in a battle, using a fresh cloned body. Not sure how fresh his cloned body was during his second confrontation with Luke on Eclipse.
Later, Palpatine failed to subdue even Leia Organa Solo in a confrontation with a massively deteriorated clone, and aimed for her newborn son to possess afterwards.
Originally posted by SunRazer
My point being that your obsession over sensing emotions is unnecessary.
What "obsession"? I was arguing against Leia sensing emotions from Luke and Sidious.
Bastila turned the tide against the Star Forge's defenses with her Battle Meditation, even when she did it within the SF, which meant she'd be hindered.
Of course she was since she wasn't amping herself to counter the nexus. And she was affecting the fleet outside the Forge, wasn't she? So I don't get what the nexus has to do with things that aren't in the proximity.
The character has "greatly enhanced combat efficiency" or some such in SoR, even when Satele was using BM on the dark side nexus of Yavin IV. In RoT, the Jedi don't note being obstructed by the nexus, but instead note being enhanced by Worror's Meditation. It's not hard to imagine which took precedence.
Fair enough.
A passive concentration of Force energies in an area shouldn't be overriding active Force powers 😬
Yes they should if the "passive concentration of Force energies" are more potent than the "active Force powers", and vice versa, or in more simple terms, 2 > 1. This is basic logic.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
People should keep in mind that Palpatine was using the cloned bodies to interact with the external environment during Dark Empire saga. His cloned bodies would deteriorate from exposure to his Dark practices with passage of time. And that in turn would compromise his effectiveness in combat situations.Palpatine defeated Luke Skywalker in a battle, using a fresh cloned body. Not sure how fresh his cloned body was during his second confrontation with Luke on Eclipse.
Later, Palpatine failed to subdue even Leia Organa Solo in a confrontation with a massively deteriorated clone, and aimed for her newborn son to possess afterwards.
This is a misconception that needs clearing up. His bodies in DE II deteriorated at such a fast rate because of genetic manipulation, not because of Sidious' dark side power. This is explained in Crimson Empire. The body he uses in DE II is weaker than the one in DE I.
So no, he wasn't hindered when he fought Luke.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Well, Leia's a Skywalker. She's got more raw power than any passive concentration of Force energies. And her Battle Meditation was hurting DE Palpatine.
DE Leia > RotJ Sidious? Because the Eclipse is > RotJ Sidious.
And her BM in DE I was passive. Only in EE did she deliberately try to hurt Sidious.