What do you make of Luke's feat against Palpatine?

Or sometimes the thread gets lost under tons of other threads and you forget about it

Originally posted by Azronger
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What about Tempest's?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
What about Tempest's?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
What about Tempest's?

It was just a theory that could be true, or could not. There's not really a way to know.

Tempest made a completely valid point. Just because the dark side is strong in a place doesn't make that place a Nexus. That dark side energy could easily be coming from a person. A dark sider.

For instance Leia senses Darth Maul's dark side presence on Naboo decades after he was there.

So for a place to prove itself as a dark side Nexus, it needs to pass the test of "is it still a Nexus with no dark siders being there" first.

Well, the text said There is no glimmer of hope in this ship... only the dark side of the Force... more powerful than ever.

Now please tell me why it referred to Sidious, and not the Eclipse.

^ Well was Palpatine not on the ship?

Yes, on the ship, but not in it.

Originally posted by Azronger
Yes, on the ship, but not in it.

What he was sat on top of it on the outside? (Don't have DE on me so can't check exactly where he was).

In the English language, the right way to say is on the ship, or on the bus, etc. not "in". If they wanted Leia to be sensing Sidious, they would've put it in the text, grammatically correct.

^ No not necessarily.

Tell me how do you think a Ship becomes a dark side Nexus?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ No not necessarily.

No, but it's way more probable than them simply having bad grammar. Using that as an argument is desperation.

Tell me how do you think a Ship becomes a dark side Nexus?

It's likely Sidious had embedded it with the dark side.

Originally posted by Azronger
No, but it's way more probable than them simply having bad grammar. Using that as an argument is desperation.

Lol what? Having Leia Indirectly sense Palpatine's power is not bad grammar. And neither is it a desperate conclusion. It's actually quite logical.

Originally posted by Azronger

It's likely Sidious had embedded it with the dark side.

Yes most likely by his mere presence.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Lol what? Having Leia Indirectly sense Palpatine's power is not bad grammar. And neither is it a desperate conclusion. It's actually quite logical.

Yes most likely by his mere presence.

Sidious doesn't transform everything he walks on into a nexus the magnitude of the Eclipse. He must've manually made it a nexus, which makes it separate from his power. Leia was sensing, and the text was referring to the ship.

^ No Leia was just sensing the power of the dark side coming from Palpatine's ship. That doesn't mean the ship itself was a dark side Nexus without Palpatine's presence.

Now it's possible Palpatine did some ritual and made it a dark side power over many years like he did on Byss. But seems unlikely to me he would do rituals like that to power a ship. It seems more likely that a place where Palpatine hangs out a lot would naturally give out a heavy dark side signature.

However it seems clear you're unwilling to accept that possibility, and just expect the rest of us to accept the ship itself is a dark side Nexus.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ No Leia was just sensing the power of the dark side coming from Palpatine's ship. That doesn't mean the ship itself was a dark side Nexus without Palpatine's presence.

Now it's possible Palpatine did some ritual and made it a dark side power over many years like he did on Byss. But seems unlikely to me he would do rituals like that to power a ship. It seems more likely that a place where Palpatine hangs out a lot would naturally give out a heavy dark side signature.

Palpatine's shuttle in EE was a dark side nexus Luke described as "intense," even though Palpatine wasn't there. Now, why wouldn't his flagship be a nexus, if his shuttle was?

However it seems clear you're unwilling to accept that possibility, and just expect the rest of us to accept the ship itself is a dark side Nexus.

I accept that anything's possible. And I don't expect everyone to agree with me.

Palpatine got distracted trying to channel the Force Storm and lost control, and thx to that, Luke beat him–he was on the same tier as him by the time it happened, tho (roughly equal to TPM Plagueis imo).

That was only after the duel.

Originally posted by Azronger
Palpatine's shuttle in EE was a dark side nexus Luke described as "intense," even though Palpatine wasn't there. Now, why wouldn't his flagship be a nexus, if his shuttle was?

Is "Nexus" specifically mentioned? Or is it just a strong dark side presence from Palpatine's presence? I'm guessing the latter.

Palpatine doesn't even have to be there for his dark side essence to remain. Remember Leia sensing Maul's darkness on Naboo a generation after he fought there.

Why does it have to be specifically mentioned to be a nexus? Is there even such a thing as a strong dark side presence that is not a nexus?