Originally posted by quanchi112He'll surpass Vader eventually, and likely not as a Dark Side devotee; much like Luke. As for the FO being better than the GA, that's something I will never agree on unless there's 100% indisputable proof or statements to the contrary.
So you agree he will surpass Vader. 😂My work is done.
The First Lrder is greater than the empire. All will be convinced by the trilogy's end.
Originally posted by playa1258No shit. But, as much as I LOATHE agreeing with Quan, based on what is seen SOLELY in the films; Ren would appear more powerful, or at least more diverse. Now, I'm not saying he is stronger than Vader; as he indirectly admits inferiority to Vader in the ****ing movie. But based on feats ONLY, seen in the films ONLY; Ren is more impressive.
Vader has much better force feats than Ren. The canon is not just the films.
Not really. Ren stopping the blaster bolt was the only thing overwhelming. Kylo extracted information from Poe's mind, Vader extracted information from Luke's mind. Kylo froze someone in place, Vader choked someone through a vidscreen.
Kylo had to slash the torture room with his lightsaber to do what Vader did with just his rage in RotS.
Originally posted by darthbane77So you agree he will surpass him so you concede the point. Wonderful.
He'll surpass Vader eventually, and likely not as a Dark Side devotee; much like Luke. As for the FO being better than the GA, that's something I will never agree on unless there's 100% indisputable proof or statements to the contrary.
Your mind is made up but evidence will prove me correct once again. 🙂
Originally posted by playa1258Comics are ignored by the film makers despite your clinging to them. They are just another means to sell more product to fanboys such as yourself. Make no mistake they aren't taken seriously when constructing the love animated and film versions. Those actually matter.
Vader has much better force feats than Ren. The canon is not just the films.
Originally posted by playa1258They don't pay any serious attention to the comics when they create the films, series.
You are wrong. Disney canon is the films, Rebels,TCW and comics. Like it or not Vader's feats from the comics are just as canon as the films.Oh and Ren does not have the potential to reach what Anakin could have become. Not to mention he willl be completely inferior to Luke.
Anakin didn't become it. I said Ren will surpass Vader not your fanboyish dreams of what might have been. He got ****ed up by Kenobi. He cried, raged, and burned. Oh how pathetic of Vader. He's a loser. Lost his wife, his mother, his master, he is the worst.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Because Palpatine ran the Empire super well. 👆...ohwait
He sorta did, lmao. Sure his arrogance got in the way at the end, but you can't tell me Sidious' Empire wasn't a success, given it was the most powerful governmental body the galaxy has ever seen.
I don't think Anakin understood the intricacies of politics to replicate Palpatine's achievement.
Originally posted by quanchi112
They don't pay any serious attention to the comics when they create the films, series.Anakin didn't become it. I said Ren will surpass Vader not your fanboyish dreams of what might have been. He got ****ed up by Kenobi. He cried, raged, and burned. Oh how pathetic of Vader. He's a loser. Lost his wife, his mother, his master, he is the worst.
Nice of you to admit that you discount everything but the films. Your canon is not the Disney canon.
Originally posted by playa1258It is a realistic canon. Only dummies like yourself really believe the directors have comic issues sprawled around and are entertaining the thought of Han Solo and that other woman. They do it to sell more product but it isn't taken seriously. Much like yourself if I am being honest here.
Nice of you to admit that you discount everything but the films. Your canon is not the Disney canon.
Originally posted by playa1258It isn't relevant anyways since we don't see the comic feats occur in real time aka its speculative at best. No, I am concise not and intelligent so of course I wouldn't. You're desperate that Kylo's force stopping blaster not beat Vader's feats from three films in the opening scene.
No, you are cherry picking feats and arguing only MOVIE feats count. When Disney canon includes more than just the films.You know damn well if Kylo had some great feats in canon comics you would spam every thread with the feats.
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