Originally posted by Geistalt
Not when Ti fights on the same tier as a near-Vader fighter, while Ventress gets curb-stomped by Dooku (and even if Felucia was a substantial light side Force nexus that propped Shaak Ti up that far, I highly doubt Galen was hindered by it, what with his "responsibility" "duty" "if I lose, I never deserved to live" attitude).
Actually, Ti would lose in a pure saber duel.
Originally posted by Geistalt
The fact that he spent 16 years under Vader's tutelage.
Just because you're trained by someone for some time doesn't make you them their near equal. By you're logic, Rahm Kota being able to effectively stalemate Galen for a time after his training, makes Kota Vader's near equal. It doesn't quite add up. If you're talking about end game Galen, whom has been noted to improve being on or near Vader level (depends how you interpret the fight) then I'd be inclined to agree, but Felcuia Galen? Nah.
Originally posted by MythLord
Well, Galen as teen prior to TFU was already better than most Knights and Masters according to some sources, and was noted as having a near-perfect fighting style.Beating Felucia! Galen is still a damn good achievement.
I wasn't doubting it's impressiveness, but rather the idea that Shaak fought a near Vader level combatant in the form of Felucia Galen is rather silly.
Originally posted by RHaggis
I wasn't doubting it's impressiveness, but rather the idea that Shaak fought a near Vader level combatant in the form of Felucia Galen is rather silly.
I wasn't answering you specifically, just arguing it's impressive. Also, Galen at the time was contending with Vader in spars and is at least loosely comparable to his Death Star self that was stalemating Vader.
In the game, Shaak lost to Galen soundly even with the aid of Felucians, and got overpowered in the Force by Galen.
In the comic, Shaak got severely wounded by an omnidirectional telekinetic attack that wasn't even focused on her.
In the novel, Shaak held an edge over him in lightsaber combat throughout the duel, but if it were purely a lightsaber duel it still would've only ended in a stalemate and Galen still bested her from use of the Force.
Sure Galen is above your average Jedi Knight or average Jedi Master as a duelist, but what notable combatant isn't? Sure Galen outdueled Rahm in a close ass duel, but the most Rahm has is being a Juyo practitioner (so is Sirak).
Galen has contended with Vader in spars, great! Pre-Lehon Bane contended with Kas'im in spars and still would've gotten blitzed if Kas'im was going all-out.
Sure Galen matched Vader in a duel at the end of the game, but his duel with Shaak is closer to his duel with Rahm (whose nowhere near Vader), and since Felucia, Galen has been stated to have several power growths, a shift in Force alignment, an increase in skill, and a significant increase in baseline physicality, so Felucia Galen really isn't comparable to end game Galen as a duelist.
Originally posted by MythLord
Also, Galen at the time was contending with Vader in spars and is at least loosely comparable to his Death Star self that was stalemating Vader.
When was it ever stated that he was contending with Vader in spars? If you're referring to this quote...:
Under Vader's relentless tutelage, the Apprentice all but perfected the fine art of lightsaber combat and learned to wield many fearsome dark side powers.
- The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
... it only states that Vader's training allowed him to perfect his skills, which is a rather broad and vague term which could mean forms and so on... Nothing regarding him being able to contend with his master.
Vader's apprentice was both strong in the Force and incredibly aggressive. As a teenager, the apprentice was already more powerful than many Jedi Knights had been during the Clone Wars, and it was only Darth Vader's incredible power and skill that allowed him to defeat the boy in combat.
-- The Force Unleashed Campaign Guide
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Vader's apprentice was both strong in the Force and incredibly aggressive. As a teenager, the apprentice was already more powerful than many Jedi Knights had been during the Clone Wars, and it was only Darth Vader's incredible power and skill that allowed him to defeat the boy in combat.
-- The Force Unleashed Campaign Guide
The apprentice understood that, until this moment, they had never truly fought as equals. His Master had either held back, or he himself had capitulated.
- The Force Unleashed Novelisation