Originally posted by Nephthys
Doesn't need to hit a dartboard. Still exists. You can be forced into agreeing to do something against your will. Just like you will soon be forced into agreeing that I am right/a genius.
The only thing I'm forced to do at the moment is carefully reconsider the idea that you actually have a college degree in writing.
Originally posted by NephthysLol, via persuasive reasoning (so a fat chance of that happening here), that remains a decision you make of your own free will.
Doesn't need to hit a dartboard. Still exists. You can be forced into agreeing to do something against your will. Just like you will soon be forced into agreeing that I am right/a genius.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lol, via persuasive reasoning (so a fat chance of that happening here), that remains a decision you make of your own free will.
Lol, you're trying to get philosophical about free will here? That isn't necessary. "To agree" to something all you need is to "have the same opinion about something; concur." or "to say that one will do something which has been suggested by another person" or "reach agreement about (something) after negotiation." Whether or not they reached an agreement by their own will is irrelevant. Whether or not their opinion was forcible changed to match Vitiate's is irrelevant. Whether or not they said they'd partake in the ritual freely is irrelevant.
But if you don't care about the actual definitions, then I'll just say that them merely stating agreement would satisfy the burden of the quote. Regardless of if they did so freely in their own minds, as long as they said it doesn't matter.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Neph, as a reader of the Bane trilogy, why is it that you can't see see a situation similar to the Brotherood of Darkness and the storm ritual?
What do you mean?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
With your certificate or an argument? I'd like to see both. 🙂
I live in Glastonbury. If you'd like to pop by you're welcome to.
It took you 12 hours to come up with that? Yikes.
If they had the same opinion about the ritual as Vitiate, there'd have been no need to mindrape them. If it required negotiation and persuasion, then they had a choice... which means we've now circled back to the inevitable conclusion.
Could you use the next 12 hours to make a good case?
I was asleep and then I had a wank and watched some video's. Believe it or not, you're not my first priority when I wake up. I'd suggest I not be yours since you clearly suffer in the mornings.
They had the same opinion after he forced them to. They reached an agreement after he forced them to. Try again.
Neph if stating the obvious equates to getting philosophical in your books then I really worry about your IQ.
If your are forced into doing something against your will, the fact that you disagree with the act is implicit. And overruling your ability to decide (via in this case mental domination) doesn't change the fact you remain in disagreement, only circumvents your opinion and intentions.
So no, if they agreed to the ritual they evidently were wilful participants, and any other reading through whatever mental gymnastics is indeed, disingenuous.
Neph, how well do you think your "they technically agreed to it because I forced them to agree to it!" would work in court?
You're playing mental gymnastics with the language to support a clearly misleading, if not grammatically incorrect, conclusion, all so that you can justify the arbitrary opinion of Nyriss one thousand years after the fact.