Senya vs Darth Traya.

Senya is on Coruscant, looking for Some Stuff. Suddenly, she feels Traya's presence behind her, and they both start facing each other.

Force: They first start testing her opponent's skill and connection with the Force, using the Force and the Force only to overcome their enemy.

Sabers: They then test the other's skill with their sabers.

All Out: The Verdict. They end up the fight with everything they got.

Traya in all rounds, bar maybe Sabers.

Senya takes sabers while Traya takes Force, all-out can go either way.

Traya ragdolls her, lol.

Vaylin, someone who boasts more raw power then Traya can ever dream off, couldn't do it, Traya isn't going to.

Leia has more raw power than Dooku could dream off, and she couldn't ragdoll Alema and Tahiri. Does that mean that Dooku couldn't?

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Leia has more raw power than Dooku could dream off, and she couldn't ragdoll Alema and Tahiri. Does that mean that Dooku couldn't?

Which evidence do you have that Leia would ragdoll? She's a Jedi after all and most likely has restraint to her abusing her powers.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Which evidence do you have that Leia would ragdoll? She's a Jedi after all and most likely has restraint to her abusing her powers.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Caedus didn't ragdolled Valin, if you want another example.
Also, did Vaylin tried to ragdoll, either?
And, in real power, Traya > Vaylin, anyway.

Vaylin was bloodlusted and actually used the Force on the objects around them, she got enough time and opportunity to strike against Senya but apparently didn't so it's quite logical to assume that she couldn't defeat her directly through the Force.

Traya isn't more powerful then Vaylin, the latter has better feats and hype.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Vaylin was bloodlusted and actually used the Force on the objects around them, she got enough time and opportunity to strike against Senya but apparently didn't so it's quite logical to assume that she couldn't defeat her directly through the Force.

Traya isn't more powerful then Vaylin, the latter has better feats and hype.

Nah. Hype, sure, but feats? Traya's combat feats are superior, imho.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
K' then. Traya wouldn't ragdoll, but she would win all-out 10/10.

Nah. Hype, sure, but feats? Traya's combat feats are superior, imho.

How is she going to win all-out?

Which are superior?

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
How is she going to win all-out?

Which are superior?

Oneshotting 20 elite Sith, oneshotting the masters, ragdolling Sion.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
By being an equal/slightly inferiotr duelist and easily superior in the force.

Oneshotting 20 elite Sith, oneshotting the masters, ragdolling Sion.

A recovering Outlander/Hero of Tython, already the most powerful and skilled Jedi of his time, and Lana Beniko had no chance of matching Vaylin in combat, so I doubt that Traya's actually comparable to her, let alone Senya who defeated Vaylin while holding back.

What have those "Elite Sith", "Jedi Masters" or Sion done what makes them impressive, besides their title?

The Outlander was staggering around and had potentially just been massively electrocuted. Not exactly a valid comparison.

Vaylin might be comparable to Traya in power though. Considering she ragdolled like half as many Zakuul Knights as Traya killed when she was like 10.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The Outlander was staggering around and had potentially just been massively electrocuted. Not exactly a valid comparison.

Vaylin might be comparable to Traya in power though. Considering she ragdolled like half as many Zakuul Knights as Traya killed when she was like 10.

Staggering around? He collapsed once and how was he electrocuted?

Yes of course the Outlander was hindered by his injury but this is solidly compensated for by him having Lana as support and the extent Vaylin was superior to the duo.

Hardly. A full strength Outlander is better than Vaylin or Senya.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Staggering around? He collapsed once and how was he electrocuted?

He was obviously still highly weakened by the carbonite. I believe Lana even says that you being able to so much as stand is a miracle. We all saw how badly Han was affected.

You get badly electrocuted if you decide to save the city from the generator exploding.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Hardly. A full strength Outlander is better than Vaylin or Senya.

He was obviously still highly weakened by the carbonite. I believe Lana even says that you being able to so much as stand is a miracle. We all saw how badly Han was affected.

You get badly electrocuted if you decide to save the city from the generator exploding.

Evidence? I mean, you're just claiming something without actual feats/facts backing you up.

Yeah but the Outlander is >>> Han of course and he got the antidote, which would work better and better over time.

Not necessarely, evidence again?

Senya in all but Force.

Remind me what Senya's saber feats are, again.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
What have those "Elite Sith", "Jedi Masters" or Sion done what makes them impressive, besides their title?

Not too much for the elite Sith other than the fact that they're the strongest of their time. Weaker ones have killed with Choke and Lightning instantly, for what it's worth.

The Jedi Masters can individually do this: http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/124590/5374267-twoenclaves.jpg

They also know Force techniques that are "the pinnacle of Force Mastery", with Vrook putting Dantooine!Exile in Stasis, TK'ing DS Exile's party into a wall hard enough to stun them for a few seconds, Kavar Stunning a squadron of soldiers for about twenty seconds without even gesturing and Pushing/Stunning the Exile briefly, and Zez-Kai Ell's Pushed Wookiees hard enough to inflict mortal injuries on them. We also know that Draining someone to zilch requires a huge disparity, since not even Nihilus could fully Drain Traya. So that's a huge disparity between Traya and their combined strength.

Sion has "amazingly dark and devastating powers" and is "an ultra-powerful monster of the dark side". I don't consider his M4-78 showings legit, so I won't bring them up. He does hold himself together with telekinesis and was powerful enough to draw Traya's eye, presumably from across the galaxy.