Originally posted by Ursumeles
The Ones, Zonoma Sekot, Waru etc.
Abeloth was a (human) woman before her transformation.
The Ones were normal Celestials before their transformation.
The Emperor was a Sith Pureblood before his transformation.
Every entity has a past. Doesn't makes one lesser than the other (ignoring strengths and weaknesses).
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
My friend,Abeloth was a (human) woman before her transformation.
The Ones were normal Celestials before their transformation.
The Emperor was a Sith Pureblood before his transformation.
Every entity has a past. Doesn't makes one lesser than the other (ignoring strengths and weaknesses).
Originally posted by Ursumeles
Entities are usually immortal- The Ones could just be killed by the Dagger of Mortis, we don't know how Waru can be killed, etc.
Also, The Ones could destroy the Universe, Waru has his own dimension, etc.
Valkorion isn't comparble.
Valkorion is immortal. He cannot be dismissed through conventional methods either.
The Ones couldn't destroy the Universe. A neutral revelation is that The Ones could ruin the galaxy with their powers due to their eternal struggles. This is why the Father build the realm of Mortis.
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Entities may significantly differ from each other in nature and vary in capabilities accordingly. This doesn't imply that some are semi-entity. Ever heard of it?
Normal Celestials? Lmao. And Abby was created by the Celestials to be, in a way of speaking, similar to them. And Valkorion didn't drink nor take a bath in the two biggest nexuses of power in galactic history.
And the Son doesn't use Sith powers, since he's beyond Sith, so the quote doesn't apply to him. And any entity reduces Valkorion to dust, BTW, with the exception of Taalon, perhaps, but he still wins.
Originally posted by MythLord
Normal Celestials? Lmao. And Abby was created by the Celestials to be, in a way of speaking, similar to them.
The Ones did not create Abeloth. Exposure to the implied nexuses corrupted her, and transformed her into a virtually immortal being. The Father became concerned and left.
Originally posted by MythLord
And Valkorion didn't drink nor take a bath in the two biggest nexuses of power in galactic history.
One doesn't needs to be exposed to those nexuses to become an entity.
Originally posted by MythLord
And the Son doesn't use Sith powers, since he's beyond Sith, so the quote doesn't apply to him.
That quote doesn't precludes the Son from assessment. This is your baseless rationalization.
Originally posted by MythLord
And any entity reduces Valkorion to dust, BTW, with the exception of Taalon, perhaps, but he still wins.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The original Celestials were a species or civilization.The Ones did not create Abeloth. Exposure to the implied nexuses corrupted her, and transformed her into a virtually immortal being. The Father became concerned and left.
No they weren't. The Celestials were a family of incomprehensible beings made out of Force energy. They are beyond any mortal comprehension.
And they did create Abeloth, or rather the young servant who then became Abeloth from those two nexuses:
"Abeloth was a being created as a servant by the three Celestials: the Father, the Daughter, and the Son."
-- Galactic Architecture 101 and the History of Centerpoint Station
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
LMAOOne doesn't needs to be exposed to those nexuses to become an entity.
I am aware, I'm just noting they became entities from a nexus that dwarfs Valkorion.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Sith powers are Dark Side powers in general. The two terms are mutually exclusive.That quote doesn't precludes the Son from assessment. This is your baseless rationalization.
The Son is canonically beyond the power of Sith, and in any case he at least has quotes retconning Sidious being him > him, whereas Valkorion does not.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Ridiculous assumptions.
More like logical fact. Valky isn't touching someone of the Ones' power.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDFrom what I recall, she was corrupted by the Font of Power and the Pool of Knowledge (the Ones did lengthen her lifespan so as to effectively make her immortal, though).
Exposure to the implied nexuses corrupted her, and transformed her into a virtually immortal being.
Originally posted by MythLord
No they weren't. The Celestials were a family of incomprehensible beings made out of Force energy. They are beyond any mortal comprehension.
Although the Republic has existed for millennia, there is evidence to suggest that long before its founding, a highly advanced race ruled the galaxy. Referred to as the “Architects” or “Celestials” by scholars, these beings possessed remarkable technology capable of constructing or realigning solar systems. The Corellia system, for example, appears to have been artificially constructed. These claims would seem extraordinary, but many of the Architects’ machines survived the ages. The Vultar system was home to an immense “Cosmic Turbine” that could only have been Architect technology, before misuse destroyed both the turbine and the Vultar system itself. The fabled Centerpoint Station is thought to be an Architect installation, though many species have claimed it as the work of their own people. In addition to their engineering marvels, it is believed that the Architects seeded the Core Worlds with life–particularly humans–though some attribute this to the Rakata’s Infinite Empire. Despite the proof of their achievements, however, there is little evidence to suggest where the Architects came from or what eventually became of them.
Taken from SWTOR (Galactic History 01: The Architects)
Originally posted by MythLord
And they did create Abeloth, or rather the young servant who then became Abeloth from those two nexuses:"Abeloth was a being created as a servant by the three Celestials: the Father, the Daughter, and the Son."
-- Galactic Architecture 101 and the History of Centerpoint Station
You will find correct answer in Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse. Read it.
Originally posted by MythLord
I am aware, I'm just noting they became entities from a nexus that dwarfs Valkorion.
Originally posted by MythLord
The Son is canonically beyond the power of Sith, and in any case he at least has quotes retconning Sidious being him > him, whereas Valkorion does not.
However, we have a contradiction here. That source covers The Ones and Vitiate's story-arc up to the events of Revan.
Their is no hard-and-fast rule that Palpatine is greater than Valkorion! Never was. This assessment disturbs Palpatine's fans however.
Originally posted by MythLord
More like logical fact. Valky isn't touching someone of the Ones' power.
Valkorion is an entity, period.
Round 1 NJO. Luke is the MVP, with Valky a close second. Sheev is next, though considerably lower, and UnuThul after that. UnuThul can handle Yoda, and Revan can contend with Plagueis as long as it stays a Force engagement, and Shimrra would beat Arcann. Ultimately UnuThul beats Yoda at range, but would lose in melee. Plagueis would beat Revan, but after a long battle. Whatever the arrangement, Luke beats all his opponents, but fighting Valkorion would tire him out. Shimrra would beat Arcann before UnuThul and Yoda finished up, so they'd finish off Yoda, then clean up the rest, while Luke takes out at least one of the other primaries, and his teammates come to help with the last one. I really can't see anyone taking down team NJO here.
Round 2 is probably TOR, but I can see NJO pulling a close second. I see Arcann and Outlander beating any of the secondaries (primaries being Valk, Sheev, Luke) except maybe UnuThul and Yoda, and making Sheev ROTJ only makes him last longer, still the lowest of the primaries. Shimrra goes down first, and then either Outlander or Arcann would help Revan, while the other went to support Valkorion. After Plagueis goes down, it would be all four of the TOR team against Luke, as he probably would have gone for Sheev first. The TOR team takes down Luke, and then cleans up the rest of the combatants,