Odin, Pre-Crisis Darkseid & Thanos vs Galactus

Originally posted by zopzop
I made one quick correction to your post. Proof here :

That was a dead planet as in the civilization was dead. Not that the planet was literally dead.

Now let me reply to the rest. I see what you are saying about Galactus eating 4 planets to fight the 4 Mad Celestials but it was a 'standard' Galactus that fought the Galactus Engine (while ALL the other Celestials and Teneberous left/ran)

That's a pathetic showing for both Galactus and Celestials. The Galactus Engine was stated below in power to Shuma Gorath and other Elder Gods and he stomped pretty much 20 Galactus level beings?

That if anything shows Celestials and Galactus aren't what they are used to be.

and when he fought Scrier/Other.

Just to show you how powerful Scrier was, he created a thousand Thor's and Surfer's to fight off the Other's minions :

Scrier ran away from a ghost of Mephisto and had to cheapshot him for beating him by adding his power to Agatha Harkness.

Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]He was stated to be weakened though.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16229981/SS_v3_136_07b.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16229982/SS_v3_136_08a.jpg.html

Not to mention he blindsided Mephisto while adding his power to Agatha.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16229983/SS_v3_137_08a.jpg.html

That's hardly the best moment Scrier had. Exitar would win IMHO.

Galactus wins. [/B]

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was a dead planet as in the civilization was dead. Not that the planet was literally dead.

Biosphere :

The biosphere is the global sum of all ecosystems.

An ecosystem is a community of living organisms in conjunction with the nonliving components of their environment (things like air, water and mineral soil), interacting as a system.[2] These biotic and abiotic components are regarded as linked together through nutrient cycles and energy flows.[3] As ecosystems are defined by the network of interactions among organisms, and between organisms and their environment,[4] they can be of any size but usually encompass specific, limited spaces[5] (although some scientists say that the entire planet is an ecosystem).

That's a pathetic showing for both Galactus and Celestials. The Galactus Engine was stated below in power to Shuma Gorath and other Elder Gods and he stomped pretty much 20 Galactus level beings?

That if anything shows Celestials and Galactus aren't what they are used to be.

Scrier ran away from a ghost of Mephisto and had to cheapshot him for beating him by adding his power to Agatha Harkness.

Originally posted by zopzop

Yes, a lifeless planet. This dude feeds on the biosphere of worlds. Do the math.

Biosphere :

Ecosystem

The civilization was dead. The planet itself wasn't dead.

Shuma Gorath was always portrayed as being a mystic powerhouse. Strange's aura with Shuma's powers would have shattered galaxies if he was allowed to enter 616 reality.

Shuma Gorath is a giant pussy if anything.

Yeah, lip service. Odin has actually shattered Galaxies unlike Galactus and Shuma Gorath.

And Black Bolt destroyed one MAO by himself.

Scrier is a schemer. He's never revealed the true extent of his power. This is stated on panel too. Him creating ONE THOUSAND Thors and Surfers instantly is an incredible display of power. [/B]

And him needing to merge power with Agatha Harkness to beat a depowered Mephisto isn't a scheme.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The civilization was dead. The planet itself wasn't dead.

Shuma Gorath is a giant pussy if anything.

Yeah, lip service. Odin has actually shattered Galaxies unlike Galactus and Shuma Gorath.

And Black Bolt destroyed one MAO by himself.

Those were psychic constructs.

And him needing to merge power with Agatha Harkness to beat a depowered Mephisto isn't a scheme.

Did you read the scan regarding those 'mental constructs'? I'm quoting "each an individual, each an extension of the persona that birthed it." Other's minions were TROUNCING Thor and Surfer. These 'mental constructs' were easily THor and Surfer's equal and helped turn the tide vs the Other's minions. At the very least Scrier created THOUSANDS of High Herald level beings. There's no lowballing that.

Originally posted by zopzop

So if human life vanished from earth but plant and animal life was still there, Earth would be considered a dead world? 😕

You are simply confusing the dead world being totally devoid of biosphere.

Surfer states clearly that Galactus only feeds on planets which sustain life but he will not allow him to destroy civilizations.

Gorath's fight with Strange was threatening to collapse all the nether realms. He's conquered over 1000 dimensions.

And Dr. Strange has beaten him alone. Way to go Gorath.

Odin's fight with Seth was tearing the fabric of multiverse itself.

It was a scheme. His true power level was made known much later in the Thor Annual.

That's rubbish. Just because he fought Galactus later doesn't makes his appearance earlier less indicative of his power.

Oblivion, one of the four big abstracts, straight up said if Scrier and Other go at it, the multiverse gets taken down. Something he admitted Chaos King (we all saw how powerful he was) came close to doing but ultimately failed.

Hyperbole. They were tossing planets at each other for ****'s sake. How do you go from Planets to destroying multiverse when Thor and Surfer who were nearby didn't even sustain anything?

Did you read the scan regarding those 'mental constructs'? I'm quoting "each an individual, each an extension of the persona that birthed it." Other's minions were TROUNCING Thor and Surfer. These 'mental constructs' were easily THor and Surfer's equal and helped turn the tide vs the Other's minions. At the very least Scrier created THOUSANDS of High Herald level beings. There's no lowballing that. [/B]

They were not fighting in reality. It was all a mental battle if you have actually read the comic and not the scans.

Those were no high heralds. Those were just thoughts from Thor and Surfer fighting Other on mental plane.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
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Galactus took one blast at Thanos and Thanos literally was on his knees with all his shields compromised and begged for Galactus to stay his hand. This is Starlin written Thanos.

How many pages did it take for Odin to make a prepped Thanos yield ...in Asgard no less. And still Thanos defied him. In fact let's compare Thanos begging for his life after Galactus blasted him once vs Thanos telling Odin he won't yield as Asgard crumbles around them because Odin's shots could not make Thanos fall.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Dr. Strange has beaten him alone. Way to go Gorath.

Odin's fight with Seth was tearing the fabric of multiverse itself.

Originally posted by deathslash
whoa there. Are you implying that classic strange having to utilize black magic and absorb the power of several different demon lords in order to have a fighting chance against shuma isn't impressive? That's like saying that Superman having to sundip in order to have a fighting chance against imperiex isn't impressive. Also, it should be noted that dormammu and mephisto were basically called rodents in comparison to shuma.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm talking about Strange casually banishing him after beating him in Marvel Knights.

Yes.

Originally posted by deathslash
whoa there. Are you implying that classic strange having to utilize black magic and absorb the power of several different demon lords in order to have a fighting chance against shuma isn't impressive? That's like saying that Superman having to sundip in order to have a fighting chance against imperiex isn't impressive. Also, it should be noted that dormammu and mephisto were basically called rodents in comparison to shuma.

i think he's saying even if that IS the case, the galactus engine<shuma and it withstood nearly 2 dozen galactus-level beings....

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
Galactus took one blast at Thanos and Thanos literally was on his knees with all his shields compromised and begged for Galactus to stay his hand. This is Starlin written Thanos. How many pages did it take for Odin to make a prepped Thanos yield ...in Asgard no less. And still Thanos defied him. In fact let's compare Thanos begging for his life after Galactus blasted him once vs Thanos telling Odin he won't yield as Asgard crumbles around them because Odin's shots could not make Thanos fall.

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This really is all that needs to be said on the subject.

Odin could somewhat put Thanos down after a fairly even battle.

Galactus needed one hit to go through all of Thanos' defenses.

Odin soloes.

Originally posted by apex_pretador
Galactus took two blasts at Thanos.

It took one blast to vaporize the shields and put Thanos down. It was implied that a second blast would destroy Thanos.

Thanos wins.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are simply confusing the dead world being totally devoid of biosphere.

Surfer states clearly that Galactus only feeds on planets which sustain life but he will not allow him to destroy civilizations.

And Dr. Strange has beaten him alone. Way to go Gorath.

Odin's fight with Seth was tearing the fabric of multiverse itself.

That's rubbish. Just because he fought Galactus later doesn't makes his appearance earlier less indicative of his power.

Hyperbole. They were tossing planets at each other for ****'s sake. How do you go from Planets to destroying multiverse when Thor and Surfer who were nearby didn't even sustain anything?

They were not fighting in reality. It was all a mental battle if you have actually read the comic and not the scans.

Those were no high heralds. Those were just thoughts from Thor and Surfer fighting Other on mental plane.

It wasn't hyperbole, Oblivion himself stated this. Scrier and Other's fight would have destroyed the multiverse. Not tore at it, not rock it, DESTROYED IT. Doing more damage than Chaos King himself. It's right there on panel:

And regarding the THOUSAND Surfers and Thors it was not a mental battle :

You see them being PHYSICALLY overwhelmed by the Other's minions.
It becomes more than physical when they bust through the barrier and enter the Other's realm :

Originally posted by krisblaze
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This really is all that needs to be said on the subject.

Odin could somewhat put Thanos down after a fairly even battle.

Galactus needed one hit to go through all of Thanos' defenses.

Guess Thanos>Galactus? More importantly, we see the same writer show Odin and Galactus to be on same level of power.

Originally posted by zopzop

"I will not allow him to devour culture, societies, life". You left out the whole quote. So tell me if you would describe the planet Earth sans humans as a dead world devoid of life.

I don't see how that's relevant here? No, I wouldn't.

Galactus could only feed on planets which sustained life under Fraction. That's made clear in the very same scene.

Dr. Strange has defeated the IB and held his own against Adam Warlock with the IG. Strange only beat him because they were at Stonehendge and Gorath was still weak from his slumber. Scans here :
Weak from slumber

Even weakened, only beaten because they fought at Stone Hendge :

Call me when Shuma Gorath gets pummeled by a guy wielding a shovel.

Yeah, Strange is really inconsequential here.

Shuma is elder God level. At best. Galactus looked solid two levels below him.

And Shuma wasn't weakened when Strange beat him.

It wasn't hyperbole, Oblivion himself stated this. Scrier and Other's fight would have destroyed the multiverse. Not tore at it, not rock it, DESTROYED IT. Doing more damage than Chaos King himself. It's right there on panel:

Yeah, literally hyperbole. They did nothing to deserve that kind of prose.

And a hyperbole is a statement if you don't know.

And regarding the THOUSAND Surfers and Thors it was not a mental battle :

You see them being PHYSICALLY overwhelmed by the Other's minions.
It becomes more than physical when they bust through the barrier and enter the Other's realm :
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That was all a mental battle Zop. Don't try to twist something against me. The Other is only a mental being, he attacks using mind attack only.

Other had mindraped Galactus and almost killed him under the same writer BTW.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't see how that's relevant here? No, I wouldn't.

Galactus could only feed on planets which sustained life under Fraction. That's made clear in the very same scene.

Yeah, Strange is really inconsequential here.

Shuma is elder God level. At best. Galactus looked solid two levels below him.

And Shuma wasn't weakened when Strange beat him.

Yeah, literally hyperbole. They did nothing to deserve that kind of prose.

And a hyperbole is a statement if you don't know.

That was all a mental battle Zop. Don't try to twist something against me. The Other is only a mental being, he attacks using mind attack only.

Other had mindraped Galactus and almost killed him under the same writer BTW.

It was not a mental battle in 616 reality, it took an odd turn when they entered Other's realm which is chaotic and unnatural. It's right there on panel.

The Other actually did kill Galactus but that was alt reality and we have no clue on Galactus' hunger level. It happened off panel.

Originally posted by zopzop

Yes, that world was dead. Agree to disagree.

There is nothing to disagree here. Galactus was sated. That's it.

Yes he was and even then he had to be taken to Stonehendge to do it. It's all right there on panel, unless you got proof otherwise?

Like I said inconsequential. Shuma is at best Elder God level. Galactus isn't.

It was not hyperbole. WE saw the damage CK did to the multiverse, Oblivion said Scrier/Other's fight would surpass that and then some.

And that's pure hyperbole. They did nothing at that level.

It was not a mental battle in 616 reality, it took an odd turn when they entered Other's realm which is chaotic and unnatural. It's right there on panel.

You're trying my patience. The swarm of those beings were simply thought forms.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2wtKy_8pe2Q/VpCB_7iTXGI/AAAAAAAAByk/ffkLg9uqF60/s1600/50_12.jpg

And those Thors and Surfers were just mental selves of real deals.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0kEVy7g62tg/VpCCEF8PthI/AAAAAAAABzo/phnZMjoe79U/s1600/50_24.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UX0IFFzmocI/VpCCEQYFAEI/AAAAAAAABz0/yxEIII2l0Xk/s1600/50_25.jpg

The Other actually did kill Galactus but that was alt reality and we have no clue on Galactus' hunger level. It happened off panel. [/B]

That was not alternate reality. They left Galactus comatose.