What if Obi Wan had continued training?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Dude Dooku was decades older than even Old Ben. The only reason for Ben to be < ROTS Kenobi is if he's completely out of practice.

But even if he practices from time to time he should be fine. Increased mastery of the force would easily compensate for his body getting older.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Well Dooku's not just around the same age, or just a little older. He's decades older. And it's not just him. Windu is about the same age as Old Ben. Palaptine was around the same age back in TPM, let alone any of the later films.

So age is not a reason to be weaker. These guys generally get more powerful with age. The only excuse is if he's out of practice. But will see if the new Canon goes with that. It won't be the case though if he faces Maul in Rebels, and if they do solo Kenobi spin off films based in that time period.

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Originally posted by |King Joker|
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Originally posted by Kurk
Not to mention that Dooku is immensely more powerful than Kenobi in regards to his augmentation ability compensating for physicality

Dooku's more powerful, I don't know about immensely more powerful.

Point is you don't honestly think a 35 year old Jedi Dooku was a match for his ROTS self do you?

His Immense power has come from Decades of Mastery of the Force and Fencing skill perfection.

Originally posted by Kurk
True, but generally speaking a 50 year-old Mace or 80 year-old Dooku will not have the same strength or stamina they did in their youthful years unlessthey've increased significantly in their force abilities to compensate for these short-comings through augmentation.

Again do you really think a younger Pre-TPM Mace was > ROTS Mace?

Do you think TFA Luke will be < ROTJ Luke? Going by this "older = weaker" logic Luke should be an old weakling by TFA. But somehow I don't think that will be the case.

Because as you've pointed out, Force augmentation, which increases with mastery of the force, which increases over time, more than compensates for any weakened physical abilities.

These are all examples of people more powerful than Kenobi, henceforth incomparable.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
These are all examples of people more powerful than Kenobi, henceforth incomparable.

Ah so your argument now is that ONLY those powerful in the force grow over time, whilst those weaker in the force get weaker over time?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Ah so your argument now is that ONLY those powerful in the force grow over time, whilst those weaker in the force get weaker over time?

Tell me Thor, are you enjoying building up little men from straw, and knocking them down in acclaims to win the day? This is my attempt to explain why the examples being championed are all poor ones, Dooku and Mace are noted to be in the elite of the elite tier of Jedi Masters and that's a proposition being echoed for decades, there is another who approaches that level of regard; Qui Gon Jinn, who is generally noted to be less formidable in old age, and his power in the Force didn't make up the difference. Kenobi is going to be far more comparable to Qui Gon in this regard than Mace and most certainly Dooku given their shared goals - trying to connect with the spiritual realm of the Force, rather than the physical.

"Your powers are weak," Vader noted emotionlessly. "Old man, you should never have come back. It will make your end less peaceful than you might have wished."

"You sense only a part of the Force, Darth," Kenobi murmured with the assurance of one to whom death is merely another sensation, like sleeping or making love or touching a candle. "As always, you perceive its reality as little as a utensil perceives the taste of food."

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Tell me Thor, are you enjoying building up little men from straw, and knocking them down in acclaims to win the day? This is my attempt to explain why the examples being championed are all poor ones, Dooku and Mace are noted to be in the elite of the elite tier of Jedi Masters and that's a proposition being echoed for decades, there is another who approaches that level of regard; Qui Gon Jinn, who is generally noted to be less formidable in old age, and his power in the Force didn't make up the difference. Kenobi is going to be far more comparable to Qui Gon in this regard than Mace and most certainly Dooku given their shared goals - trying to connect with the spiritual realm of the Force, rather than the physical.

[b]"Your powers are weak," Vader noted emotionlessly. "Old man, you should never have come back. It will make your end less peaceful than you might have wished."

"You sense only a part of the Force, Darth," Kenobi murmured with the assurance of one to whom death is merely another sensation, like sleeping or making love or touching a candle. "As always, you perceive its reality as little as a utensil perceives the taste of food." [/B]

Okay, Qui-Gon? Great. So someone on the "Ben is weaker than Obi-Wan" side has finally given an example to back up their claims.

Still not as numerous as the examples I've given- Mace, Dooku, Palpatine, Luke.. But Okay, let's go with your 1 example.

First of Qui-Gon was said to be in his 50's to 60's. So easily Ben Kenobi's age OR OLDER. And as we saw he was still a pretty capable fighter. Even named a "Powerful Jedi Master" in more than 1 source. And the only source that states he was past his prime was TPM Novel. However the same novel states his greater experience helps to offset that disadvantage. And he was still said to be overall superior to TPM Kenobi, the young fully trained Knight, in that same novel.

Was he Kenobi's equal though in the big scheme of things? No, not even close. Where Qui-Gon was clearly inferior to Maul, Kenobi as of TCW was able to engage both Maul and Opress together. And Qui-Gon himself admits in the same novel, that Obi-Wan has far greater potential than him.

So back to the Dooku/Mace comparisons. Why are they more powerful in the Force than Kenobi? Is that to do with their Force potential being so much greater? Or is it that they've just had more time to Master the Force?

Again I'll point out that Dooku was not just a little older than Ben.. He was in fact DECADES older. Mace around the same age. TPM Sidious around the same age.

So where are you getting this idea that ONLY the ELITE will grow in power over time? Whilst anyone a little under them in potential will get weaker over time?

Why would Force training be so different for those with slightly less potential? That just makes no sense whatsoever.

There does seem to be a slight contradiction there with Qui-Gon, but the more numerous examples are in my side. And Qui-Gon was even older than Ben, and had far less potential.

Dooku was better than Kenobi not an identical twin you dumbass. It's like saying a player is better at a certain age therefore all players have the same skills at said age. Retardation is the way of D. Thor.