Several sources have indicated to Vader being "conflicted" and giving he gave his life to save his son at the end, I don't think it's a stretch to say he was holding back to some extent.
The fact he neglected to use the Force at all, sans a lightsaber throw is also a glaring sign of not going at it with everything.
Originally posted by SunRazerGreater mobility and speed? I assume you mean in regards to Vader, who is also pretty ferocious too, yet he was rendered helpless against Luke.
Anakin's greater mobility and speed will probably be a factor here. And Zonakin is pretty damn ferocious. Luke's onslaught doesn't seem like it would get through that.We're forgetting that at his peak "zone" stage, Anakin was curbing Dooku harder than Luke was Vader.
And though Anakin defeats Dooku faster, I find Vader's struggle more pronounced. Dooku at least appears to capably block the majority of Anakin's attacks, whereas Vader was utterly unable to meet Luke's blows from the off. The only difference is that Anakin was able to finish Dooku faster through greater control and finesse, whereas Luke just hammered his (stronger) opponent into submission.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yes, the world of Actual Star Wars Canon, Pre-Disney.
There was no such thing as "Actual Star Wars Canon," Pre-Disney. There were G, T, C, S, and N. But now that that system is gone, and Lucas is no longer in power, I don't give a crap about what he says, when looking at his words in the context of Legends.
"There are two worlds here. There's my world, which is the movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe—the licensing world of the books, games and comic books. They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they do intrude in between the movies. I don't get too involved in the parallel universe."
"I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world."
-George Lucas
And when it comes to this matchup, I'll take the RotJ novel over anyone's opinion, Lucas' included.
^ Do you even know what G and T canon stood for? lol
G was George Lucas Canon. That would override everything else in the old "Canon"
So "C Canon" was never actually canon for the reasons you just pointed out. Lucas didn't acknowledge it. His Canon was the actual Canon. The rest of it struggled to live around Lucas's world give. He always contradicted it, which is why Disney didn't bother acknowledging it either.
Originally posted by Azronger
Yeah, I knew all that. Your point? Because again, I don't give a crap about what Lucas has said or says anymore, since the Canon system changed.
Regardless of the change in Canon, it's still his audio commentary there on the canon version of ROTJ, which holds more weight than the pre-prequel ROTJ Novel where Owen and Ben are brothers Lol
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Azronger is correct tbh. "G-Canon" is now Disney Canon or rather simply Canon, and George has been taken out of it.
That doesn't mean all his movie commentary goes out of the window. Remember the deal between him and Disney meant all the updated versions of the OT, the Prequels and TCW remain canon. I.e. All of his main contribution to canon with the way he's satisfied with it.
Now if Disney contradicts any of that, like for instance Vader is no longer a cripple, and is considered vastly more powerful than Anakin, then so be it, but that contradictory Disney evidence needs to be presented before just writing off Lucas because you don't like what he's saying Lol.
And let's not forget Dave Filoni is still a big creative force in Disney Canon, and he reiterates Lucas's words on Luke's training and how ROTJ Luke was not on par with Vader. And he actually takes it to a far worse extreme than Lucas ever did.
As for Azronger's personal Canon, this started with him quoting the ROTJ Novel, as if that has more authority than Lucas's movie commentary(which is still on any of the latest versions you buy) in today's canon.
Originally posted by Deronn_soloReaching.
Several sources have indicated to Vader being "conflicted" and giving he gave his life to save his son at the end, I don't think it's a stretch to say he was holding back to some extent.The fact he neglected to use the Force at all, sans a lightsaber throw is also a glaring sign of not going at it with everything.