Zonakin (ROTS) vs Rage Luke (ROTJ)

Started by Beniboybling4 pages

@Thor the point is G-Canon doesn't exist anymore, so no it doesn't take precedent over the source material (neither does Filoni's opinion btw) and has zero bearing on Disney Canon.

If you want to take his words to heart your welcome to, but it's not fact.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
@Thor the point is G-Canon doesn't exist anymore, so no it doesn't take precedent over the source material (neither does Filoni's opinion btw) and has zero bearing on Disney Canon.

If you want to take his words to heart your welcome to, but it's not fact.

I never said G-Canon takes precedence anymore. With G-Canon we were talking about how it worked in the pre-Disney days.

But he's still the creator of that source material (Episodes 1-6), so his commentary on those are just as meaningful as Filoni's commentary on TCW & Rebels.

Both commentaries can be contradicted by official sources but still both have more meaning than a Pre-Prequel novel which claims Ben and Owen are brothers 😬

Also let's not be silly and degrade Lucas's commentary to that of a nobody that doesn't count for shit anymore. He's still the creator of the whole damn saga as much as the Lucas haters try to deny it Lol

D. Thor and his George Lucas worship just won't stop.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I never said G-Canon takes precedence anymore. With G-Canon we were talking about how it worked in the pre-Disney days.

But he's still the creator of that source material (Episodes 1-6), so his commentary on those are just as meaningful as Filoni's commentary on TCW & Rebels.

Both commentaries can be contradicted by official sources but still both have more meaning than a Pre-Prequel novel which claims Ben and Owen are brothers 😬

Also let's not be silly and degrade Lucas's commentary to that of a nobody that doesn't count for shit anymore. He's still the creator of the whole damn saga as much as the Lucas haters try to deny it Lol

G-Canon doesn't exist anymore, the pre-Disney days are over, it's all Legends now and we are free to interpret them as we wish.

And you just said that George > the OT novelisations, so yeah, your saying it takes precedence.

Face it, he sold Star Wars to the white slavers, he doesn't love you anymore.

Originally posted by quanchi112
D. Thor and his George Lucas worship just won't stop.
Crazy right?

Legends is still better tbh tho imo.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Crazy right?
D. Thor is a very close minded individuals who believes the madness he puts into the world.

Yeah, you're right, Thor, Lucas' commentary on the movies is still relevant. But I'm not discussing this from a Canon-only perspective, and whatever Lucas may have said in regards to Luke's training is irrelevant when he's in a bloodlusted frenzy amp mode.

Originally posted by GM Yoda
Zonakin stomps.

Well obviously Quanchi hates Lucas Lol. The guy created Star Wars, the franchise which even at it's least successful was immensely more popular than NUTrek is even today.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
G-Canon doesn't exist anymore, the pre-Disney days are over, it's all Legends now and we are free to interpret them as we wish.

And you just said that George > the OT novelisations, so yeah, your saying it takes precedence.

Face it, he sold Star Wars to the white slavers, he doesn't love you anymore.

Legends is basically glorified fanfic sold by Lucasfilm now so it doesn't matter.

But in the days when it was taken more seriously G Canon took precedent.

Nowadays Legends is fanfic, whereas it's still Lucas's commentary on the canon version of the films, so yeah Lucas's commentary is >>> outdated novels.

He sold it to white slavers to get the haters off his back. Didn't work. He should have realised Haters are just gonna hate regardless.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well obviously Quanchi hates Lucas Lol. The guy created Star Wars, the franchise which even at it's least successful was immensely more popular than NUTrek is even today.

Legends is basically glorified fanfic sold by Lucasfilm now so it doesn't matter.

But in the days when it was taken more seriously G Canon took precedent.

Nowadays Legends is fanfic, whereas it's still Lucas's commentary on the canon version of the films, so yeah Lucas's commentary is >>> outdated novels.

He sold it to white slavers to get the haters off his back. Didn't work. He should have realised Haters are just gonna hate regardless.

Rots is my favorite Star Wars so obviously I don't hate George. I also don't worship him like you do. He sold his franchise to the white slavers. He even said something so petty in an interview. The man lost his way and isn't half as great as you make him out to be. Love that Star Wars is in Disney's hands.

The Kelvin timeline has nothing to do with this so try to keep your personal feelings out of every thread.

Zonakin

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Zonakin

lol Anakin lights him uuup

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well that's what more powerful usually means.

No, it doesn't.

Originally posted by SunRazer
No, it doesn't.

Of course it does. Power in the Force amps all their Physical and TK abilities.

And it's not like Anakin is more skilled than Vader Lol

You'd need quite the power growth to see a noticeable increase in physicals.

As an overall duelist, Anakin's better.

Originally posted by SunRazer
You'd need quite the power growth to see a noticeable increase in physicals.

As an overall duelist, Anakin's better.

He does have a huge power growth.

In Legends, yes Anakin was the better duelist. In Canon that remains to be seen, but I doubt there's a big difference either way.

Sure, but he also had a huge loss in power upon becoming a cyborg. He has to make up for that before he can being to surpass Anakin.

Gillard's quotes hold in Canon as well.

It's not as if Vader's done anything in Canon that's out of Anakin's reach as a duelist, anyway.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Sure, but he also had a huge loss in power upon becoming a cyborg. He has to make up for that before he can being to surpass Anakin.

Well in Canon at least he's overall more powerful after than he was before. So the question is whether the boost in power and strength off the cyborg suit offsets the disadvantages and losses he faced.

Originally posted by SunRazer
It's not as if Vader's done anything in Canon that's out of Anakin's reach as a duelist, anyway.

I agree. I'm just arguing he's probably not below Anakin as a duelist. And if he is then it's not by much.

And him dominating someone on Maul's level, also seems consistent with TCW/ROTS Anakin's level.