The Empire were able to build the Death Star 1 and 2. You could argue the CIS and the Republic might be able to build the first one since the CIS did have the schematics for it but definitely not 2. The 2nd one was built according to the opening crawl shortly before Luke was going to save Han Solo which means a lot.
The Empire could just use the Death Stars to conquer the Galaxy really, considering that we know in ANH the first one would have made the entire Galaxy buckle under their rule with no resistance.
Originally posted by The MerchantIf you don't think the droid army or the clone army could put up a stop to it but a ragtag group of rebels destroyed both then you're clearly out of your mind. For ****s sake.
The Empire were able to build the Death Star 1 and 2. You could argue the CIS and the Republic might be able to build the first one since the CIS did have the schematics for it but definitely not 2. The 2nd one was built according to the opening crawl shortly before Luke was going to save Han Solo which means a lot.The Empire could just use the Death Stars to conquer the Galaxy really, considering that we know in ANH the first one would have made the entire Galaxy buckle under their rule with no resistance.
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Ot fanboyism is laughable.
The Droid army and the Clone army would not know how to fight the Death Stars and would most likely opt for a direct fleet attack, which in ANH is said to be ineffective after they read its schematics which the Republic would not know. The CIS would I guess know. To fight the DS you would need a small squad of fighters led by a Force Sensitive that has a potential of a Skywalker, so the OT would need to send Anakin to take down the first one. That's also assuming that the Empire would not employ a fleet of their own to protect the Death Star 1, they most certainly did with the 2nd one.
Originally posted by The MerchantSo hundreds of experienced Jedi along with Maul, Dooku, Windu, etc. would be worse off than an inexperienced and untrained Luke Skywalker. 😂
The Droid army and the Clone army would not know how to fight the Death Stars and would most likely opt for a direct fleet attack, which in ANH is said to be ineffective after they read its schematics which the Republic would not know. The CIS would I guess know. To fight the DS you would need a small squad of fighters led by a Force Sensitive that has a potential of a Skywalker, so the OT would need to send Anakin to take down the first one. That's also assuming that the Empire would not employ a fleet of their own to protect the Death Star 1, they most certainly did with the 2nd one.
How did it work out with protecting the Death Star 2 ? Did the empire stomp ? Did they lose ?
You're assuming all the Jedi and Sith are experts at fighter craft. Going by the films we only saw Maul, Dooku, Anakin, and Obi wan and Plo Koon in fighters and fighter like craft. The others going by EU material were mostly generals and what-not.
They lost because Palpatine wanted to lure the Rebel Alliance out with the knowledge that the 2nd one was incomplete and the Empire were actually winning. The ROTJ Novelization states the Empire lost because Palpatines death lead to a chain reaction of events that ultimately made the Rebels win.
Originally posted by The MerchantPoint is both were destroyed. You acting as if they are nigh unstoppable isn't supported by either portrayal since both Death Stars were destroyed.
You're assuming all the Jedi and Sith are experts at fighter craft. Going by the films we only saw Maul, Dooku, Anakin, and Obi wan and Plo Koon in fighters and fighter like craft. The others going by EU material were mostly generals and what-not.They lost because Palpatine wanted to lure the Rebel Alliance out with the knowledge that the 2nd one was incomplete and the Empire were actually winning. The ROTJ Novelization states the Empire lost because Palpatines death lead to a chain reaction of events that ultimately made the Rebels win.
The ones that were experts had more experience and force training than Luke did. Luke didn't go in with hundreds of ships either. Watch the beginning of rots and see the sheer amount of ships and what two experienced Jedi are capable of in their ships.
The droid army and the clone army were both more formidable than the laughable Stormtroopers of the empire. The only Stormtroopers worth a damn are from the First Order era.
Context is just as important. They were destroyed because the Rebel Alliance had schematics of the first one and knew that a small squadron of fighters would do much better than a large fleet, which is said in the film to be inneffective against it. The PT era always tried to use large fleets in their space battles and having little knowledge of the first DS would mean they would receive heavy casualities going against it they way they normally do.
The 2nd one was destroyed because admittedly of Palpatines miscalculation of Vaders love for his son. Barring that and if he stayed in control the Empire would have won the battle. Not to mention in an all out fight the Empire will use fleets to assist the first and 2nd Death Stars making them nearly nigh unassailable.
That's assuming most of the Jedi and Sith will know how to fight in starships, it's clear that most don't. Not to mention sending hundreds of them to try and take down either of the Death Stars is suicide, see AOTC and how over 200 Jedi knights was wittled down to just over 20. Anakin and Obi-wan had an entire fleet to assist them, they clearly didn't solo the CIS fleet and only had to really worry about enemy fighters.
Considering that the Stormtroopers evolved from the GAR I doubt that the difference in skill is that much worse. The Droids didn't really do much in the films that the Troopers couldn't do.
Originally posted by The MerchantWe see Anakin and Kenobi were the ones who successfully saved the Chancellor and they used small space craft. 😂
Context is just as important. They were destroyed because the Rebel Alliance had schematics of the first one and knew that a small squadron of fighters would do much better than a large fleet, which is said in the film to be inneffective against it. The PT era always tried to use large fleets in their space battles and having little knowledge of the first DS would mean they would receive heavy casualities going against it they way they normally do.The 2nd one was destroyed because admittedly of Palpatines miscalculation of Vaders love for his son. Barring that and if he stayed in control the Empire would have won the battle. Not to mention in an all out fight the Empire will use fleets to assist the first and 2nd Death Stars making them nearly nigh unassailable.
That's assuming most of the Jedi and Sith will know how to fight in starships, it's clear that most don't. Not to mention sending hundreds of them to try and take down either of the Death Stars is suicide, see AOTC and how over 200 Jedi knights was wittled down to just over 20. Anakin and Obi-wan had an entire fleet to assist them, they clearly didn't solo the CIS fleet and only had to really worry about enemy fighters.
Considering that the Stormtroopers evolved from the GAR I doubt that the difference in skill is that much worse. The Droids didn't really do much in the films that the Troopers couldn't do.
A large fleet can be successful as well but the rebels lacked the firepower or the ships of these two hugely backed armies to really trade blows so to speak. The droids and clones could afford heavy casualties since they can be replaced far easier.
Speculation. They lost against a vastly inferior force. They are going up against two forces with better wisdom, better warriors, better resources, and more ships, people, etc.
Jedi knights won't be alone. When the clones showed up things quickly changed. You have hundreds of Jedi along with droids, clones, etc. 🙂
They actually were far more impressive. If you think the battle droids are equal to Stormtroopers you're an idiot.
Tbh just going from movies alone, the Clones, Storms, Rebels and Droids weren't all that much different as far as ground troops go. Aside from the Storms having scout patrols and them using stealth tactics.
Vehicle wise, the PT has the advantage mainly because...well the only vehicles we saw for the OT were AT-ATs and AT-STs and Snowspeeders. The Gunship the Clones have would be a bigger target compared to the Snowspeeders, but has more firepower.
Space wise, Empire/Rebels > GAR/CIS mostly because we didn't really see any space battles other than ROTS that was short.
The Empire/Rebel pilots also looked much better than the Clone and Droid ones. I mean the only thing the latter would have on the former, is the Buzz droids and Anakin/Obi-Wan, although the latter would be offset by Luke and Wedge. Adding in Han too also helps with the Falcon. Plus Vader of course who'd be a big help given his knowledge as Anakin. The Executor also helps and having the DS if they are allowed, along with Home One and the Rebel fleet.