Ot era vs Pt era

Originally posted by The Merchant
The Empire were able to build the Death Star 1 and 2. You could argue the CIS and the Republic might be able to build the first one since the CIS did have the schematics for it but definitely not 2. The 2nd one was built according to the opening crawl shortly before Luke was going to save Han Solo which means a lot.

The Empire could just use the Death Stars to conquer the Galaxy really, considering that we know in ANH the first one would have made the entire Galaxy buckle under their rule with no resistance.

yea... except the first Death Star was destroyed by one kid who wasn't even close to being a Jedi...how do you think ti would fare against several fully trained jedi flying down that trench....

Quite a bit better actually. Not every Jedi is an ace pilot and most won't be able to hold a candle to Luke.

Originally posted by ares834
Quite a bit better actually. Not every Jedi is an ace pilot and most won't be able to hold a candle to Luke.

taking TCW into account, Plo Koon, Obi Wan and especially Anakin are expert fliers... thats three more than took down the original Death Star and quite a bit more trained as well.

also the Imperial Stormtroopers were horrible fighters, they couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, the Droid army is just as bad but the Clones were actually very precise and great fighters.

Expert? Nah, they're certainly skilled, but none of them aside from Anakin have shown skill to match that of Luke. Or, heck, Wedge for that matter.

and what exactly did they show that puts them on some elite tier? the Clone fighters are made to look like great pilots in TCW, much better than Luke or Wedge and Anakins dog run for Grevious' ship at the beginning of ROTS trumps anything Luke showed in the OT

Originally posted by relentless1
also the Imperial Stormtroopers were horrible fighters, they couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, the Droid army is just as bad but the Clones were actually very precise and great fighters.

You clearly didn't watch the OT then.

Originally posted by relentless1
the Clone fighters are made to look like great pilots in TCW, much better than Luke

Urm no.

The only one > Luke as a pilot was Anakin.

Originally posted by ares834
Quite a bit better actually. Not every Jedi is an ace pilot and most won't be able to hold a candle to Luke.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
You clearly didn't watch the OT then.

There are various memes about how terrible the Stormtroopers were. Name some scenes in which they were badass then. Let's compare that with clones executing hundreds of Jedi. It isn't even close when comparing Ot Stormtroopers to clone troopers.

Originally posted by quanchi112
😂

There are various memes about how terrible the Stormtroopers were. Name some scenes in which they were badass then. Let's compare that with clones executing hundreds of Jedi. It isn't even close when comparing Ot Stormtroopers to clone troopers.

Really? Ok.

Destroying a defended Rebel Trooper force. Making them retreat multiple times.

With one backhanded blow, sends Han to the ground before they engage in a rousing fist fight according to the ROTJ script.

Rousing= Exciting.

Blasts R2 out of commission.

Wounds Leia.

That last one blows away any accurate shooting we saw from any Clone Trooper in the PT movies, the guy did it one handed with a blaster pistol while driving one handed on a fast moving speeder bike, his attention divided between aiming, shooting and driving to not crash into any trees.

The Clones killing the Jedi isn't impressive for a few reasons.

1. It was a surprise attack, the Clones having worked with the Jedi for years just suddenly turn and kill their commanders before they could even realize what happens.

2. Overwhelming numbers.

It wouldn't be that hard for pretty much any to do this given those circumstances.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Really? Ok.

Destroying a defended Rebel Trooper force. Making them retreat multiple times.

[/B]

With one backhanded blow, sends Han to the ground before they engage in a rousing fist fight according to the ROTJ script.

Rousing= Exciting.

[/B]

Blasts R2 out of commission.

Wounds Leia.
[/B]

So now a slow droid and an untrained princess is impressive. Oh for ****s sake. I'm talking about hunting and killing Jedi and you're saying look at them shoot a droid and a princess ?? Really ?????

That last one blows away any accurate shooting we saw from any Clone Trooper in the PT movies, the guy did it one handed with a blaster pistol while driving one handed on a fast moving speeder bike, his attention divided between aiming, shooting and driving to not crash into any trees.

[/B]

How many instances of Stormtroopers were killed, hurt, maimed by princesses, Han Solo, and that unforgivable routing by primitive ewoks. I mean do you really think the ewoks can do that to the clone troopers ? Really ?????

The Clones killing the Jedi isn't impressive for a few reasons.

1. It was a surprise attack, the Clones having worked with the Jedi for years just suddenly turn and kill their commanders before they could even realize what happens.

2. Overwhelming numbers.

It wouldn't be that hard for pretty much any to do this given those circumstances. [/B]

1. Precognition. It's funny how you Star Wars fanatics conveniently ignore this when you don't want to. We see clips and see they weren't all killed before they knew what was occurring.

2. Stormtroopers had overwhelming numbers were they successfu against the rebels ? Looks like they didn't get the job done. The clones were successful against far better than what the stormies failed against.

/Sigh, you asked for showings which is what I gave.

1. Only Mundi and Yoda really knew what was happening before they died, every other Jedi was killed before they even realized what was happening.

2. Uhh...yes? The Tantive IV? Battle of Hoth?

Killing the Jedi in the manner they were dispatched in, again....isn't all that hard for overwhelming numbers to do.

We saw this in AOTC in the Geonosis Arena, we then see it again in ROTS.

Why you think it's some special showing for the Clones...I have no idea.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
/Sigh, you asked for showings which is what I gave.

1. Only Mundi and Yoda really knew what was happening before they died, every other Jedi was killed before they even realized what was happening.

2. Uhh...yes? The Tantive IV? Battle of Hoth?

Killing the Jedi in the manner they were dispatched in, again....isn't all that hard for overwhelming numbers to do.

We saw this in AOTC in the Geonosis Arena, we then see it again in ROTS.

Why you think it's some special showing for the Clones...I have no idea.

1. False, and the entire temple knew what was occurring and were mowed down.

2. Come again ?

We see that overwhelming numbers/resources/tech didn't help bring Han in until he was betrayed by Lando.

You mocked the Jedi for going down to superior numbers in that arena but somehow criticize the clones. Do you not see the hypocrisy ?

Do you believe one droid is equal to one clone ?

I believe the clones in combat were vastly more impressive than the Stormtroopers. You disagree but it's really not hard to figure out. I think you're also being dishonest when you even make the claim.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You didn't give me anything impressive save the one feat.

1. False, and the entire temple knew what was occurring and were mowed down.

2. Come again ?

We see that overwhelming numbers/resources/tech didn't help bring Han in until he was betrayed by Lando.

You mocked the Jedi for going down to superior numbers in that arena but somehow criticize the clones. Do you not see the hypocrisy ?

Do you believe one droid is equal to one clone ?

I believe the clones in combat were vastly more impressive than the Stormtroopers. You disagree but it's really not hard to figure out. I think you're also being dishonest when you even make the claim.

1. Yeah due to overwhelming numbers...

2. The Tantive IV and Battle of Hoth, the Empire had clear overwhelming numbers against the Rebels where they were successful.

I wasn't mocking the Jedi? I was saying they were killed by overwhelming numbers.

No?

All I'm saying is, is that the Clones killing the Jedi via overwhelming numbers...isn't something super special.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
1. Yeah due to overwhelming numbers...

2. The Tantive IV and Battle of Hoth, the Empire had clear overwhelming numbers against the Rebels where they were successful.

I wasn't mocking the Jedi? I was saying they were killed by overwhelming numbers.

No?

All I'm saying is, is that the Clones killing the Jedi via overwhelming numbers...isn't something super special.

2. They didn't put down the rebels. They won battles but lost the war. What's more important to you battles or the entire war ?

The rebels succeeded overall despite facing over helming numbers, ships, Death Stars, etc.

Do you believe one clone trooper is equal to one stormie ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. The storms failed with overwhelming numbers so..

2. They didn't put down the rebels. They won battles but lost the war. What's more important to you battles or the entire war ?

The rebels succeeded overall despite facing over helming numbers, ships, Death Stars, etc.

Do you believe one clone trooper is equal to one stormie ?

1. If they failed with overwhelming numbers, then explain the Tantive IV and Battle of Hoth where they captured Leia and the Rebel Troopers aboard and then at Hoth, destroyed the base?

Clearly overwhelming numbers worked there.

By the movies? The Rebels barely succeeded, the 1st Death Star attack they only destroyed it because Luke was with them. Without him, the Rebellion would have been done.

The Rebels lost Echo Base and were forced into retreat.

They only won Endor due to Chewie with his hijacking and the Ewoks.

By the movies alone? Yeah I do.

Anyway since I know you're gonna turn this around somehow, since all I was doing was giving evidence of overwhelming numbers and showings for Storms not trying to discuss this whole thing here.

I'm just gonna end it here mmk?

Originally posted by Zenwolf
1. If they failed with overwhelming numbers, then explain the Tantive IV and Battle of Hoth where they captured Leia and the Rebel Troopers aboard and then at Hoth, destroyed the base?

Clearly overwhelming numbers worked there.

By the movies? The Rebels barely succeeded, the 1st Death Star attack they only destroyed it because Luke was with them. Without him, the Rebellion would have been done.

The Rebels lost Echo Base and were forced into retreat.

They only won Endor due to Chewie with his hijacking and the Ewoks.

By the movies alone? Yeah I do.

Anyway since I know you're gonna turn this around somehow, since all I was doing was giving evidence of overwhelming numbers and showings for Storms not trying to discuss this whole thing here.

I'm just gonna end it here mmk?

The rebels did prevail. They even took out Vader who was an experienced Sith lord whereas Luke was an untrained, inexperienced Jedi. For shame on the empire. Superior numbers, experience, and power all failed. Pathetic.

Do what you must.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
You clearly didn't watch the OT then.

oh I saw... I saw them unable to hit Han Solo at basically point blank range, I saw them get beat down by EWOKS