Originally posted by apex_pretadorAlmost. The coefficient of friction is a little bit larger than your estimation. Superman is definitely stronger than Kurse. Compare the distances both were hitting their enemies to.
Superman is stronger than Thor or hulk but not kurse.
The ship feat is so misinterpreted. It is 50 times easier (literally) to pull a ship on ice than to lift it.
Originally posted by TheLurkingFearHitting someone a mile away or completely up a skyscraper is greater than anything Thor or Kurse has done.
Superman isn't that strong, he hasn't really done anything to say he's definitively stronger than either Thor or Hulk. He's a lot faster though.
Originally posted by h1a8Hitting someone a mile away or completely up a skyscraper is greater than anything Thor or Kurse has done.
Superman shown that he is at least 3 times stronger than Kurse by measuring the distance Kurse hit Thor away and the distance Superman hit Zod away.
Well that's ignoring opposing forces.
I.e. How much the opponent is bracing themselves for that attack.
For instance Vision, Thor and IM all fire on Ultron and it just pushes him back a bit (though you can see the stress on his body) whereas Hulk punches him right after and he goes flying. But clearly that punch wasn't as deadly as the combined firepower of Vision, Thor and IM.
Originally posted by h1a8
The hammer only weighs 40lbs. It can be knocked away when airborne. Even if it was on the ground Superman could knock it away. A piece of the ground would just come out with it.
It has an enchantment that you can't wield it unless worthy. In the air, in the sea, on the ground, it's irrelevant.
If being in the air somehow negated this property then Quicksilver would have had zero issues grabbing it. So yep, slapping it away is a damn good feat.
Also when the Hulk tried to lift it..how come a chunk of ground didn't just come up with it, like you're suggesting?
Originally posted by Surtur
It has an enchantment that you can't wield it unless worthy. In the air, in the sea, on the ground, it's irrelevant.If being in the air somehow negated this property then Quicksilver would have had zero issues grabbing it. So yep, slapping it away is a damn good feat.
Also when the Hulk tried to lift it..how come a chunk of ground didn't just come up with it, like you're suggesting?
h1 didn't know about that scene, or the scene in Thor where people tried to move it with a truck. it happens when people debate characters that they know nothing about.
Originally posted by h1a8
Hitting someone a mile away or completely up a skyscraper is greater than anything Thor or Kurse has done.
Superman shown that he is at least 3 times stronger than Kurse by measuring the distance Kurse hit Thor away and the distance Superman hit Zod away.
...What? "Hitting somebody completely up a skyscraper" isn't better than any of Thor's high end feats, never mind Kurse. That's pure nonsense.
Originally posted by Surtur
It has an enchantment that you can't wield it unless worthy. In the air, in the sea, on the ground, it's irrelevant.If being in the air somehow negated this property then Quicksilver would have had zero issues grabbing it. So yep, slapping it away is a damn good feat.
Also when the Hulk tried to lift it..how come a chunk of ground didn't just come up with it, like you're suggesting?
The enchantment only works when it is grounded, not when it's moving in the air. To say otherwise is to be simply making stuff up.
I agree that my comment on that the ground should come up is stupid. I assumed that the hammer was glued to the ground in some way. It isn't.
With that said, that comment is also irrelevant to Mjolnir being in the air. In comics (where the movie is based on), Mjolnir can always be knocked away or even palmed when it's in the air or in Thor's hand. So adding a new rule to movie Mjolnir without evidence is illogical. Even so, the fact that Kurse easily batted it away proves that the enchantment doesn't work in the air. I would bet anything that Kurse couldn't lift Mjolnir from the ground.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well that's ignoring opposing forces.I.e. How much the opponent is bracing themselves for that attack.
For instance Vision, Thor and IM all fire on Ultron and it just pushes him back a bit (though you can see the stress on his body) whereas Hulk punches him right after and he goes flying. But clearly that punch wasn't as deadly as the combined firepower of Vision, Thor and IM.
Energy beams don't have the same concussive ability as blunt forces.
In many cases, energy beams have 0 concussive force (lasers).
Energy beams have a burning ability and not a sledge hammer ability. And many can be deflected partially or fully by silvery shiny objects (mirror like objects).
That's why it's illogical to relate the two.
Originally posted by Silent Master
So no actual feats, just a headline that gives no specific details.
Let's not pretend this happened in real life.
Writers are clear with their intentions. The clipping was a tribute to the Christopher Reeve feat in Superman the movie. The intention was that he did it exactly how Reeve did it.
Originally posted by h1a8Energy beams don't have the same concussive ability as blunt forces.
In many cases, energy beams have 0 concussive force (lasers).Energy beams have a burning ability and not a sledge hammer ability. And many can be deflected partially or fully by silvery shiny objects (mirror like objects).
That's why it's illogical to relate the two.
The energy beams were throwing him back at first.
In any case that example doesn't change the main point. Which is it depends on the strength of your opponent and how hard the brace for the attack.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
The energy beams were throwing him back at first.In any case that example doesn't change the main point. Which is it depends on the strength of your opponent and how hard the brace for the attack.
I said that in SOME (not all) cases energy beams have 0 concussive Force.
I also said that they don't have the SAME concussive force as blunt forces.
Anyway I could understand your point about the bracing bit. But there are a couple problems with that.
1.
The science of it isn't sound.
Just because you brace doesn't make you heavier. If you weigh 200lbs then it will take more than 200lbs of force to lift you off your feet. So if Thor gets launched into the air then bracing did little to nothing to prevent that. Bracing works better if you are getting hit horizontally to the ground where your feet are connected to the ground. This is because you can use your feet to prevent getting pushed back. But let's throw real science out of it for now and look at the next problem below.
2.
How do we know if anyone braced really? Why purposely get hit in the face when you can simply block or weave the attack? If Thor braced then Zod could've brace when Superman hit him. I would say that neither braced since that would be stupid to do over just weaving or blocking.