Did Sidious legit ragdoll Dooku?

In the scene we he choked him, isn't there an argument to be made suggesting that Dooku allowed Sidious to get past his defenses as resistance would be seen as insubordination?

Or you could argue that Dooku wasn't expecting the attack similar to how he wasn't paying attention when Savage got a hold on him and ventress.

In a 1 vs 1 battle, do you believe that Sidious could ragdoll a prepared Dooku?

Absolutely.

Probably not, no.

I don't think Sidious could ragdoll a prepared Dooku from across the galaxy, in the same room tho? Yes he could.

No it isn't logical to assume Sidious can rag doll the Count based off that showing. More than anything, the amount of time Sidious kept the Count in the air is far to short to be conclusive to whether Dooku could escape or not, and it is not likely that he'd try to in that situation.

If Dooku is prepared then probably not. Yoda didn't

There's definitely some double standards by the Maul haters.

When Maul gets rag dolled by Sidious it's because he's weak. When Dooku does, then Dooku obviously wasn't trying.

Yoda never went all out on Dooku with TK, so it's hard to compare. Though he probably should have.

Sidious isn't needed to prove that Maul is weak. Loosing to four different Padawans is evidence enough.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Sidious isn't needed to prove that Maul is weak. Loosing to four different Padawans is evidence enough.

None of which were his equal in combat..

And 4? You seem to be telling a few fibs Ziggy. Maul didn't "lose" to either Dassant or Ahsoka.

Edit: In fact technically even Kanan wasn't a Padawan, so it remains just the 1 fully trained Padawan who beat him after a long fought 2on1 battle: Maul vs Master and Apprentice.

Atoc Kenobi easily surpassed him.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
There's definitely some double standards by the Maul haters.

When Maul gets rag dolled by Sidious it's because he's weak. When Dooku does, then Dooku obviously wasn't trying.

Yoda never went all out on Dooku with TK, so it's hard to compare. Though he probably should have.

It's not that he wasn't trying. It's that Dooku resisting would be pretty pointless and even risky on the Count's part when he knows he's just being punished.

Yeah, he did. Dooku is literally nothing beside Sidious, lmao.

Yes because Sidious is so ****ing petty he'd kill a valuable asset for... trying to resist getting choked like a *****?

Yeah probably.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yes because Sidious is so ****ing petty he'd kill a valuable asset for... trying to resist getting choked like a *****?

Who said anything about getting killed? Lol if anything, this is even more evidence towards the very obvious premise that Dooku wouldn't try and defend himself in that situation. Why would he if he know's Sidious values him to highly to dispose off?

In that case why did he kill Ventress even though he didn't want to?

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Who said anything about getting killed? Lol if anything, this is even more evidence towards the very obvious premise that Dooku wouldn't try and defend himself in that situation. Why would he if he know's Sidious values him to highly to dispose off?

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Who said anything about getting killed? Lol if anything, this is even more evidence towards the very obvious premise that Dooku wouldn't try and defend himself in that situation. Why would he if he know's Sidious values him to highly to dispose off?

Well, he obviously thinks of himself as indispensable. When he discovers this is not the case, he literally can't get a word out of his mouth, even though this is his life on the line.

The cuck just allowed it. Dooku you worthless son of a ***** stay dead.

Tell me Quanchi, which version do you like more. RotS film or Stover's book?

each portrays a different version of the fight.

"Dooku, cringing, shrinking with dread, still finds some hope in his heart that he is wrong, that Palpatine has not betrayed him, that this has all been proceeding according to plan— Until he hears "Good, Anakin! Good! I knew you could do it!" and registers this is Palpatine's voice and feels within the darkest depths of all he is the approach of the words that are to come next. "Kill him," Palpatine says. "Kill him now." In Skywalker's eyes he sees only flames. "Chancellor, please!" he gasps, desperate and helpless, his aristocratic demeanor invisible, his courage only a bitter memory. He is reduced to begging for his life, as so many of his victims have.
"Please, you promised me immunity! We had a deal! Help me!" And his begging gains him a share of mercy equal to that which he has dispensed. "A deal only if you released me," Palpatine replies, cold as intergalactic space. "Not if you used me as bait to kill my friends." And he knows, then, that all has indeed been going according to plan. Sidious's plan, not his own. This had been a Jedi trap indeed, but Jedi were not the quarry. They were the bait. "Anakin," Palpatine says quietly. "Finish him." Years of Jedi training make Anakin hesitate; he looks down upon Dooku and sees not a Lord of the Sith but a beaten, broken, cringing old man. "I shouldn't—" But when Palpatine barks, "Do it! Now!" Anakin realizes that this isn't actually an order. That it is, in fact, nothing more than what he's been waiting for his whole life. Permission. And Dooku— [b]As he looks up into the eyes of Anakin Skywalker for the final time, Count Dooku knows that he has been deceived not just today, but for many, many years. That he has never been the true apprentice. That he has never been the heir to the power of the Sith. He has been only a tool. His whole life—all his victories, all his struggles, all his heritage, all his principles and his sacrifices, everything he's done, everything he owns, everything he's been, all his dreams and grand vision for the future Empire and the Army of Sith—have been only a pathetic sham, because all of them, all of him, add up only to this. He has existed only for this. This. To be the victim of Anakin Skywalker's first cold-blooded murder. First but not, he knows, the last. [b]
Then the blades crossed at his throat uncross like scissors. Snip. And all of him becomes nothing at all. "