Did Sidious legit ragdoll Dooku?

Originally posted by Geistalt
Ah, but Yoda didn't expressly intend to kill him (nor are Jedi fond of using Force Choke and other forms of TK to subjugate their opponents), and he was distracted by trying to ensure Anakin and Obi-Wan's safety.

Dooku was also analyzing if Dooku really had turned "powerful you have become Dooku, the dark side I sense in you."

Plus Yoda was likely conflicted going up against his former Padawan.

And yeah, even though Luke does it once in ROTJ, Force choke isn't really a preferred Jedi move.

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Originally posted by Darth Thor

And yeah, even though Luke does it once in ROTJ, Force choke isn't really a preferred Jedi move.

Nonsense 😄

Yoda never tried to ragdoll Dooku, and he rarely goes on the offensive with TK unless it's a defensive offense, like against Sidious. Sidious, however, clearly abuses TK and lightning and he'd indeed be able to ragdoll Dooku if going all-out against the Count.

In a fight between the two, I see Dooku being overwhelmed quickly rather than straight-out rag-dolled. Unlike Maul, he actually knows how to put up a defense. So I can see him maybe attempting to use tutaminis against Sidious's lightning only to get blown away in a couple seconds. He could probably resist Sidious from breaking down his barriers for 5-10 seconds, but it would exhaust his force reserves and then he get's ragdolled. He would be on the defensive the entire time obviously with time only telling how long until he goes down.

I don't know how many people on here are familiar with the Eragon series, but I basically say that mental barriers/attacks work similarly to force barriers/attacks.

Are there examples of individuals breaking out of a TK choke hold? Because my interpretation is that if you get past someone's defenses (e.g Dooku not paying attention to Savage) you have no chance of releasing their hold over you.

Also notice how when Savage choked Dooku, or when Ventress choked Anakin and Kenobi, the victims remained somewhat calm in that they're not frantically clutching their throats like when Sidious choked Anakin or Dooku. This suggests that while they were caught off guard, they were able to resist somewhat and get a defense going. Sidious Dooku and Anakin on the other-hand suggests that there was no room for a defense.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
There's definitely some double standards by the Maul haters.

When Maul gets rag dolled by Sidious it's because he's weak. When Dooku does, then Dooku obviously wasn't trying.

It has always been about tking when someone is off balance or not ready for it. This forum really needs my help.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Oh he was ignoring him? LOL Yeah it's not like he was fighting Ventress + Opress right?

Oh and it was an ENRAGED Opress? Yeah because enraged Opress is more powerful than Palpatine right?

Again the shit be dripping off you.

Maybe read my first post in this thread before you make retarded strawmans. I know Sidious can ragdoll Dooku, I just pointed out your usual retarded way of thinking.

Originally posted by McP
Not at all. In that new Canon, it seems, that when you are once taken off-guard, it's really hard to free yourself. Both Dooku and Maul were taken off-guard at some point. But Dooku once, while Maul twice (first time, it was clear, that he was off-guard, second, hard to tell, but Sidious pulled him and Savage without much difficulty).
And I'm not writing it as Dooku's fanboy. In my opinion, Dooku would have the same kind of problem against Kenobi. He has to overhelm/throw off-balance him, before he will TK him.

Well at least you're consistent.

I've said for a while that Dooku Tk's Kenobi twice in ROTS because he simply outfought him twice.

That said, if Dooku and Kenobi were equally powerful in the Force, then I doubt those TK hits would have had the same effect. So power in the Force/TK does still matter as well.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan

Maybe read my first post in this thread before you make retarded strawmans. I know Sidious can ragdoll Dooku, I just pointed out your usual retarded way of thinking.

"Retarded" arguments that you've always failed to counter.

Seriously You're the last person on here who gets to decide whose arguments are retarded.

But hey, Keep pulling faces and failing to produce anything productive 👆

If you think getting ragdolled in combat and out of combat is the same, then I have nothing else to say.

PS: And you get to decide who's retarded, because you did...what exactly?

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
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Maybe read my first post in this thread before you make retarded strawmans. I know Sidious can ragdoll Dooku, I just pointed out your usual retarded way of thinking.

#dthorlivinginshame

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
If you think getting ragdolled in combat and out of combat is the same, then I have nothing else to say.

PS: And you get to decide who's retarded, because you did...what exactly?

It's like you just put your hands in your ears and block everything out.

1)Choking someone from another system is LOGICALLY harder than choking someone right in front of you. And likewise blocking a choke coming from another system is logically harder than blocking a choke coming from right in front of you. Logic is your friend.

2) Dooku has been choked in combat by someone far less powerful than Palpatine.

Listening yet? Anything productive to add this time? No.. Didn't think so.

I don't throw around the term Retard just because I don't like and can't really counter an argument. But I've been around on these boards a lot longer than you and eaten shits like you for breakfast. So bring it B**** cause you'll lose every time

1) Yes it's harder if the circumstances are the same. But they aren't. Maul had his defenses up, Dooku didn't. Don't know how many times I have to point it out to you.

2) It's amusing that even after I pointed it out your ridiculous strawman you are keep doing it. I KNOW SIDIOUS CAN RAGDOLL DOOKU. Can you comprehend it now, or do I need to use bigger fonts? Maybe even make it bold and underlined?

3) Hilarious, so because you are a nice guy that means you are better? And I don't give a shit that you are here longer. Quanchi is here longer than you, does that make you his *****?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
It's like you just put your hands in your ears and block everything out.

1)Choking someone from another system is LOGICALLY harder than choking someone right in front of you. And likewise blocking a choke coming from another system is logically harder than blocking a choke coming from right in front of you. Logic is your friend..

I don't throw around the term Retard just because I don't like and can't really counter an argument. But I've been around on these boards a lot longer than you and eaten shits like you for breakfast. So bring it B**** cause you'll lose every time

You are really upset.

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove it.

Than Sidious do I honestly need to? 😂

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
1) Yes it's harder if the circumstances are the same. But they aren't. Maul had his defenses up, Dooku didn't. Don't know how many times I have to point it out to you.

2) It's amusing that even after I pointed it out your ridiculous strawman you are keep doing it. I KNOW SIDIOUS CAN RAGDOLL DOOKU. Can you comprehend it now, or do I need to use bigger fonts? Maybe even make it bold and underlined?

3) Hilarious, so because you are a nice guy that means you are better? And I don't give a shit that you are here longer. Quanchi is here longer than you, does that make you his *****?

1) Complete speculation and yet talks as though he's telling us obvious facts.

2) Concession accepted dumb ass. I took on your "not in combat" argument and now you're back pedalling.

3) It's not about being a nice guy or a prick. It's about adding something productive to a debate newbie. Like I said I've eaten shits like you for breakfast for many years. Guys like you and Quanchi only know how to Troll and release your frustrated anger out on others on the internet. Then when you get put in your place you get all obsessed and have nothing left to say except "Retard!" Carry on Loser 👆

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Than Sidious do I honestly need to? 😂

Originally posted by Darth Thor
1) Complete speculation and yet talks as though he's telling us obvious facts.

2) Concession accepted dumb ass. I took on your "not in combat" argument and now you're back pedalling.

3) It's not about being a nice guy or a prick. It's about adding something productive to a debate newbie. Like I said I've eaten shits like you for breakfast for many years. Guys like you and Quanchi only know how to Troll and release your frustrated anger out on others on the internet. Then when you get put in your place you get all obsessed and have nothing left to say except "Retard!" Carry on Loser 👆

1) There's nothing speculative about it. Give me a good reason why Dooku would've had his defenses up when making a phone call.

2) Damn, you are retarded. How am I backpaddling when I said Sidious can ragdoll Dooku before you even entered you imbecile ass in this thread?

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
I don't think Sidious could ragdoll a prepared Dooku from across the galaxy, in the same room tho? Yes he could.

3) Well that's the thing. You didn't add anything of value, because what you said is retarded 😬

And I might be trolling a lot, but so does 90% of people here. That doesn't make you a better debater lol.

The irony:

Originally posted by Darth Thor
2) Concession accepted dumb ass. I took on your "not in combat" argument and now you're back pedalling.

3) Then when you get put in your place you get all obsessed and have nothing left to say except "Retard!" Carry on Loser 👆

Originally posted by Darth Thor
1) Complete speculation and yet talks as though he's telling us obvious facts.

2) Concession accepted dumb ass. I took on your "not in combat" argument and now you're back pedalling.

3) It's not about being a nice guy or a prick. It's about adding something productive to a debate newbie. Like I said I've eaten shits like you for breakfast for many years. Guys like you and Quanchi only know how to Troll and release your frustrated anger out on others on the internet. Then when you get put in your place you get all obsessed and have nothing left to say except "Retard!" Carry on Loser 👆