My View On Bane

Originally posted by Trocity
Wasn't Farfalla just getting in Lsu's way in the Bane fight, essentially making him a bumbling oaf? And the mighty Johun Othone was there? And Lsu was putting figure 8's all over Bane with her lightsaber? And Bane didn't kill any of them until Zannah backstabbed Lsu?

Not looking good for Baney boy.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Didn't Farfalla prevent Lsu from being ragdolled, though, by erecting a barrier?

Farfalla protected Lsu from Bane's telekinesis, but in the actual duel he was worse than useless (more evidence that in dueling numbers are overrated with fodder).

Looked into the fight. You're right on the chronology of events so fair enough.

I'm not arguing Dooku. I mean Obi Wan. "I'm not sold on Deceived Malgus being above Obi Wan as a Force user though."

He was facing a team and was on his backfoot when they were all facing him at once. I don't remember him being on his backfoot when it was just Raskta.

This is the beginning of the fight against two of them.

"From the corner of her eye she saw Bane take a completely different approach. Protected by his orbalisk armor, he charged forward to meet the two Jedi Masters confronting him head-on." - Rule of Two.

"As they burst into the room a man who could only have been Darth Bane charged recklessly toward them. In any other instance the move would have spelled a quick end to the encounter, as Raskta raced ahead of Farfalla to carve the Sith to pieces.

Raska's blue blades flickered too quickly for the eye to see, neutralizing her enemy's initial, wild attack then landing half a dozen lethal blows to his chest and abdomen. But instead of toppling, the big man kept coming, never even breaking stride. He would have plowed straight into Raskta, trampling her under his heavy boots, had she not cartwheeled to the side at the last possible instant." - Rule of Two.

"Their enemy fell upon them again, following up the lightning with pure aggression. Raskta rushed ahead of Farfalla to meet this second charge. She crouched low, viciously slashing at his thighs and calves, attempting to leave their opponent crawling legless on the floor. Her blades carved through his boots and sliced wide gashes in his pants, only to reveal more of the chitinous shells.

Bane brought his lightsaber down at the Echani, who crossed her blades into an X, attempting to block and trap her opponent's weapon at the point of intersection. But the Sith's move was only a feint meant to distract her, and at the last instant he pulled his weapon back and swung an elbow around to catch her in the ribs. The contact lifted her off her feet and sent her sprawling." - Rule of Two.

The offensive your referring to is a trick by Bane who was simply trying to get close to the Jedi who was battle meditating the group. A pretty ingenious maneuver on Bane's part honestly.

"Raskta's mastery of her blades was unparalleled, but even with her talents augmented by Worror's battle meditation she wasn't able to land a telling blow on such a small target through Bane's defenses. Still, the ferocity of her new strategy had turned the momentum in her favor ... or so Farfalla thought.

Bane continued his retreat, circling away from Raskta's blades, then suddenly turned and ran straight toward the unarmed Ithorian standing just inside the door of the room.

Battle meditation required Master Worror's complete focus; there was no chance for him to mount any type of defense. If Bane cut him down, the others would lose the only advantage that gave them any chance of surviving the encounter." - Rule of Two.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The only time Bane was retreating against Raskta alone was when he was drawing her away from Worror. After that point, she needed Farfalla and Johun to even drive him into a defensive stance.

You don't really need to bother reading what I posted. Emp sums it up here.

Nobody cares.

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Bane was the only 6 foot guy in a era of midgets --- sorry if I ain't all that impressed.

Put it this way; Bane struggled more against Lsu than Maul did against Anoon Bondara, despite Anoon having better accolades and presumably more raw power than Lsu. And Lsu's battle meditation may or may not have made up this gap; Bane had his orbalisks anyway.

Raskta doesn't have accolades. I think being able to pave your way through hordes of Sith and killing hundreds throughout a war that lasted a few years puts you on the level of a battlemaster like Boondara. Especially when you consider that Grievous's defeat of 5 Jedi simultaneously was unheard of ( despite their exhaustion ) even taking into account the existence of Dooku's other dark side adepts.

I don't see what indicates superior raw power. Yes they were probably a superior combative force user but as is noted in the novel Raskta let those abilities atrophy in favor of augmentation which is the only force ability worth taking into account when looking purely at a lightsaber combat scenario.

Also I don't see what the difference in their performance was. Every time Raskta went on the offensive him she was driven back or nearly killed. The only time she pushed him was when he allowed her to.

Emp take over. I've got to get to class.

I guess I'm the measured approach but i still will never put Bane above Vader in anything barring FLS. And thats only cuz Vader can't use it. /shrug

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I honestly hold prime Bane a little but under Vader and about equal to FE Malgus. Those three are all pretty close to each other.

I'm also part of the 'measured approach' way of thinking. Don't lowball him like Ell or Carth, but don't think he's as good as DMB says. Below Vader, but not by much.

Originally posted by Petrus
I'm also part of the 'measured approach' way of thinking. Don't lowball him like Ell or Carth, but don't think he's as good as DMB says. Below Vader, but not by much.

Yeah, this seems fair.

If that's true, Vader ought to literally be an insect next to Palpatine.

He is. 🙂

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Raskta doesn't have accolades. I think being able to pave your way through hordes of Sith and killing hundreds throughout a war that lasted a few years puts you on the level of a battlemaster like Boondara.

Not when basically all of those sith are weaklings who were promoted to "sith lord" out of desperation and were weaker than trainees that had never used a lightsaber before and couldn't create lightning, and who were getting their asses kicked by an Army of Light that was arming orphans and calling them Jedi.

Especially when you consider that Grievous's defeat of 5 Jedi simultaneously was unheard of ( despite their exhaustion ) even taking into account the existence of Dooku's other dark side adepts.

Those were five of the best duelists in the Order, not some no-named sith fodder.

I don't see what indicates superior raw power. Yes they were probably a superior combative force user but as is noted in the novel Raskta let those abilities atrophy in favor of augmentation which is the only force ability worth taking into account when looking purely at a lightsaber combat scenario.

Because she's actually below average in combative Force abilities and also her defenses; that suggests that she's average in overall potential at best. Compare her to, say, Dooku, who was just as obsessed with dueling - he still had very good combative Force power. Same with Windu, Qui Gon, Obi Wan, etc. The top duelists, as in the tier below the B-team, are still in the upper 0.1% of all Force users. Otherwise there's no way they could compete.

Also I don't see what the difference in their performance was. Every time Raskta went on the offensive him she was driven back or nearly killed. The only time she pushed him was when he allowed her to.

Bane couldn't beat her even when she was being hindered and he had invincible armor on; in fact were it not for his armor, he'd have been killed several times.

Hardly, but all of this is merely good for Lsu. It doesn't bring Bane down, it pushes her up.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Because she's actually below average in combative Force abilities and also her defenses; that suggests that she's average in overall potential at best. Compare her to, say, Dooku, who was just as obsessed with dueling - he still had very good combative Force power. Same with Windu, Qui Gon, Obi Wan, etc. The top duelists, as in the tier below the B-team, are still in the upper 0.1% of all Force users. Otherwise there's no way they could compete.

Faulty logic. It suggests no such thing. Lsu can be powerful as hell yet still be comparatively (to Bane) weak in Force abilities due to her single-minded focus on dueling abilities. Dooku may be a fencing nut, but he clearly deeply explored other aspects of the Force, as did the others you mentioned. This isn't the case with Raskta.

You're just assuming that all force users have to be the same, ignoring that the text directly states why this is the case and it isn't that she's weak.

She was legitimately below average, not just relative to Bane.

"A Weapons Master was not skilled at defending against enemy Force attacks." Thats all it says. This doesn't remotely suggest shes not powerful, she clearly is to be able to move at the speeds she was and to rip apart so many Sith.