Originally posted by The Ellimist
Not when basically all of those sith are weaklings who were promoted to "sith lord" out of desperation and were weaker than trainees that had never used a lightsaber before and couldn't create lightning, and who were getting their asses kicked by an Army of Light that was arming orphans and calling them Jedi.Those were five of the best duelists in the Order, not some no-named sith fodder.
Because she's actually below average in combative Force abilities and also her defenses; that suggests that she's average in overall potential at best. Compare her to, say, Dooku, who was just as obsessed with dueling - he still had very good combative Force power. Same with Windu, Qui Gon, Obi Wan, etc. The top duelists, as in the tier below the B-team, are still in the upper 0.1% of all Force users. Otherwise there's no way they could compete.
Bane couldn't beat her even when she was being hindered and he had invincible armor on; in fact were it not for his armor, he'd have been killed several times.
She fought on the frontlines. You don't think the Brotherhood would have assaulted with elite forces to make certain key advancements against the Jedi?
They were exhausted.
But we know that's obviously not the case given RoT Orbalisk Bane's power level and the fact that Raskta was able to keep up in terms of speed.
He couldn't outright overwhelm without effort, no. But as I said she was nearly overwhelmed twice by Force attacks and Bane decided the smartest decision was to end the Jedi enhancing the team with battle meditation over taking them apart as a team.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
She fought on the frontlines. You don't think the Brotherhood would have assaulted with elite forces to make certain key advancements against the Jedi?
I mean Ruusan was the key battle of the war - one of the key battles in galactic history - and I'm basing the pathetic level of the sith from that. Even their most elite sith are...Qordis? Kopecz? Lol.
They were exhausted.
They're still better than Qordis and Kopecz, which are the upper limit of the sith that Lsu may have faced.
But we know that's obviously not the case given RoT Orbalisk Bane's power level and the fact that Raskta was able to keep up in terms of speed.
Seems kind of circular since we're trying to set Bane's power. But the point is that there's no way someone weak in the Force, or even average, could ever challenge, say, a Maul, not when Maul has amazing technical ability and raw power.
He couldn't outright overwhelm without effort, no. But as I said she was nearly overwhelmed twice by Force attacks and Bane decided the smartest decision was to end the Jedi enhancing the team with battle meditation over taking them apart as a team.
Yeah Bane was stronger than her in the Force; it doesn't change the fact that nobody would be able to see Dooku or Obi Wan struggling against Lsu in a duel. Dooku had the upper hand against the power of a restrained Anakin, let alone a mediocre Force user with some battle meditation.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
And that's the case because you're forgetting we don't have to assume this Bane's level of power as he's already confirmed to be more powerful then his temple busting self with a single orbalisk. This is only relevant in regards to his skill and Raskta's ability.
The temple busting feat isn't that good though; he charged it for several second and only busted some pillars.
Originally posted by Nephthys
"A Weapons Master was not skilled at defending against enemy Force attacks." Thats all it says. This doesn't remotely suggest shes not powerful, she clearly is to be able to move at the speeds she was and to rip apart so many Sith.
She was powerful, but if she were powerful on the level of, say, Cin Drallig, himself a weapons master, she wouldn't have been "weak" against Force attacks. Plenty of upper-tier blademasters are still more than capable of defending against Force attacks; Rastka's weakness was relative to the average (Farfalla was better at defending against them than she was), not relative to Bane.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
I mean Ruusan was the key battle of the war - one of the key battles in galactic history - and I'm basing the pathetic level of the sith from that. Even their most elite sith are...Qordis? Kopecz? Lol.They're still better than Qordis and Kopecz, which are the upper limit of the sith that Lsu may have faced.
Seems kind of circular since we're trying to set Bane's power. But the point is that there's no way someone weak in the Force, or even average, could ever challenge, say, a Maul, not when Maul has amazing technical ability and raw power.
Yeah Bane was stronger than her in the Force; it doesn't change the fact that nobody would be able to see Dooku or Obi Wan struggling against Lsu in a duel. Dooku had the upper hand against the power of a restrained Anakin, let alone a mediocre Force user with some battle meditation.
Powerful Sith Lords, yes.
I doubt it an exhausted master Jedi is superior to the most powerful Sith in the Brotherhood.
It's not. We're trying to establish DoE Bane's power. We already have confirmation that orbalisk Bane is > temple buster Bane.
Except we know she's not mediocre given her augmentation compared to this Bane's own. As I said we're not trying to establish orbalisk Bane's power as that's confirmed within the novel.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
The temple busting feat isn't that good though; he charged it for several second and only busted some pillars.
I believe the text mentions that he shakes the temples very foundations. And I'm not completely sure on this but I believe Emp has some lines that describe the portion of the temple Bane destroyed as a large section of it or the parts he destroyed making up a large portion of the front. Nephys or Emp would be able to explain this better as I've only heard the concept once or twice.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
She was powerful, but if she were powerful on the level of, say, Cin Drallig, himself a weapons master, she wouldn't have been "weak" against Force attacks. Plenty of upper-tier blademasters are still more than capable of defending against Force attacks; Rastka's weakness was relative to the average (Farfalla was better at defending against them than she was), not relative to Bane.
Cin Drallig has demonstrated that he is capable of defending against powerful Force attacks? By all means, please post your evidence for such.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Post it.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
https://youtu.be/RfW4vK-Fu1A?t=194
I had Cin above Mace because of that feat tbh