Originally posted by MythLord
80% of Sidious.
I thought that's what he was by RotJ.
Originally posted by darthbane77
Sidious theorized that his limits were only mental, that had Vader owned up to what he did and embraced it that he could have unlocked his full potential again. Not sure if I agree with his theory or not, but it is something to consider.
Yeah, it's possible; I never liked the idea that losing limbs would literally limit his potential. It also doesn't fit what we see with Maul.
Didn't Lucas say that Vader's potential was cut in half at Mustafar - and that it has originally been twice of Sidious's? So now it's the same?
Yeah, in legends, Sidious believed it wasn't his physical limitations that held him back, but the fact that he couldn't accept his past actions, and if he came to accept them and fully embrace the darkside, he would be able to awaken the his true potential. Plagueis also believed that loss of limbs/body parts didn't weaken ones connection to the force
And canon says he didn't lose any potential.
Originally posted by TenebrousWay
The explanation that he lost potential along with his burnt tissues and lost limbs is pretty ridiculous. That would mean a tall or obese person does have greater force potential than an average one.
I don't think that's necessarily true. That's like saying losing limbs shouldn't hurt your ability to run because some short people are fast.
Originally posted by The EllimistI honestly ignore a lot of Lucas says because I find it very difficult to reconcile his statements with what we actually see in novels or visually. So the 80% Sidious thing I find as BS, and we know from the fact Anakin was SUPPOSED to be > The Father, that his potential is FAR more than just double that of Sidious. So I really don't trust or listen to anything Lucas says when debating about the EU.
I thought that's what he was by RotJ.Yeah, it's possible; I never liked the idea that losing limbs would literally limit his potential. It also doesn't fit what we see with Maul.
Didn't Lucas say that Vader's potential was cut in half at Mustafar - and that it has originally been twice of Sidious's? So now it's the same?
Originally posted by The Ellimist
I don't think that's necessarily true. That's like saying losing limbs shouldn't hurt your ability to run because some short people are fast.
False analogy. What I'm saying is, if limb extension and living tissues affect connection with the Force, on average taller Jedi Knights would've greater force connections than average or short Jedi Knights.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
I don't think that's made clear - it just claims that the injury "strengthened his connection", which might be short term. If Vader hadn't lost his potential he should've been able to annihilate Palpatine by blinking in RotJ.
It's also never made clear in canon that he lost any potential. And I think Sidious' logic applies to canon as well, that his limitations were mental, not physical, which would explain why that didn't happen.
Originally posted by TenebrousWay
False analogy. What I'm saying is, if limb extension and living tissues affect connection with the Force, on average taller Jedi Knights would've greater force connections than average or short Jedi Knights.
Well to adjust my analogy then, that losing limbs is bad for you doesn't mean short people are less healthy than tall ones.
Originally posted by MythLord
Actually, Lucas was talking about RotS Vader and his loss of potential. He could've been 2x Sidious, but now that dropped down 4/5s of Sheev.
Wait...really?
Originally posted by Rebel95
It's also never made clear in canon that he lost any potential. And I think Sidious' logic applies to canon as well, that his limitations were mental, not physical, which would explain why that didn't happen.
Ah, ok. I mean, the RotS novelization is still canon; not sure if Lucas's musings are.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Well to adjust my analogy then, that losing limbs is bad for you doesn't mean short people are less healthy than tall ones.
It's another false analogy. 🙁
The thesis is that losing limbs and tissue affected Vader's connection with the Force.
The immediate conclusion we have: Limbs and living tissue (cell count) positively affects one's connection with the force, hence we can reach at the ridiculous situation I introduced above.
There's also the fact Anakin never felt the slightest disturb in his connection with the Force after he had almost all of his forearm cut off by Dooku.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Wait...really?
Yeah, it makes sense that it was referring to potential.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
We've been over this before, lmao. He wasn't referring to potential at all, lmao.
You've been over this with Nova, not me. And yeah, he was. He was talking about Anakin's potential was so great that he could've been 2xPalpatine, and now he's 20% less.
Sounds like he's referring to potential to me.
Pretty sure the deciding factor is how many midi-chlorians you have per cell. The more that is the greater your ability to manipulate the Force. Losing a limb shouldn't impede that since an individual cell count is whats important.
Of course the better answer would be that your connection to the Force is spiritual in nature and that the Force flows through all living things. A person who is more machine than man is hampered in connecting to all life and blocked off spiritually from the rest of the galaxy.
Originally posted by MythLord
You've been over this with Nova, not me. And yeah, he was. He was talking about Anakin's potential was so great that he could've been 2xPalpatine, and now he's 20% less.Sounds like he's referring to potential to me.
Several sources say Sidious was afraid of Vader's potential and he could've equaled him. 80% is not his potential.