Originally posted by darthgoober
WW(or Kara) can do a good job of matching up with any ONE Supes book, but Supes pushes a lot more titles than just his own. Their total just doesn't stack up to his total.
There's other people to consider too, like Hal, but Kara is definitely in the discussion.
Originally posted by StyleTimeNo one moves books like Bats period. Guy is in 6 of the top 10 books, and the top 3 are his solo titles and another one is largely a collection of his villains. lol.
Oh, I agree. Other than Batman, no one at DC moves books like Supes. But we're talking about a world without him. If you remove Kal, who could best fit the bill? Of that next level of hero, Supergirl seems like a solid bet. She is easy to justify in-story, has the same powers, and she's got a high profile right now. Give her a push, and I think she'd do better than most.There's other people to consider too, like Hal, but Kara is definitely in the discussion.
Originally posted by darthgooberSupergirl IS a Superman spinoff, so.. lol.
WW(or Kara) can do a good job of matching up with any ONE Supes book, but Supes pushes a lot more titles than just his own. Their total just doesn't stack up to his total.
Originally posted by darthgooberI was just saying. That is what it is.
That's what happens according to PAST stories, but as you admit that's not the story they're going to write if they kill him off. If he's gone, the world will be killed EXCEPT that Captain Marvel(or someone else) is there to stop it when no one else can. He was the "go to guy" because he was available and their flagship character, but this thread is based on the premise that he's NOT available anymore. The question for this thread is simply "Who's now #1 to handle the big threats once Supes is gone?".Think of it like this, quanchi inherits several billion dollars and buys DC comics. He decides to leave all the editors and writers in place and let everyone do their current jobs as is except for one thing... he calls a meeting and tells the people "You're permanently killing of Superman next month. You can keep the rest of the Supes family if you want and pick whatever new flagship character you choose, but Clark Kent/Superman is never going to appear in another DC comic once we kill him off."....
...now who becomes DC's top guy to save the universe when everyone else fails?
So we're just picking?
John ****ing Constantine.
Originally posted by Juntai
Of course they probably don't write that story, but that is generally what would happen according to the story.Without Superman Doomsday rampages and kills everyone.
Without Superman a handful of probes take down Earth in OWAW.
Without Superman, the rest of them could barely slow down Black Adam.
Superman took a year off in 52 and it led to both WW3, and Final Crisis.
lol.Without Superman due to falling to Doomsday and his body being stolen to be used as a battery for Eradicator, Mongol and Cyborg Superman destroy Coast City[who weren't beaten until his return], which causes Zero Hour.
Without Superman, it is very consistent that the universe is ****ed.
Alot of this is from Superman centric arcs.
Batman could honestly fill his shoes. Batman was also gone during WW3
Two strands being argued here.
If, on an abstract level, Superman was removed from DC, then they would fill his boots with another character. Its DC, if they wanted to write that Superman has solar flare powers, or is WW's ***** in the kitchen, they can and they will. So a moot point. Probably Kara.
In universe, though? Imperiex Probes are coming, Final Crisis, Flashpoint? DC is doomed. Hell, we've seen what happened with the JLA when Doomsday attacked and Supes was elsewhere.....
In universe, though? Imperiex Probes are coming, Final Crisis, Flashpoint? DC is doomed. Hell, we've seen what happened with the JLA when Doomsday attacked and Supes was elsewhere.....
...Its DC, if they wanted to write that Superman has solar flare powers, or is WW's ***** in the kitchen, they can and they will...
yeah i'm not sure what the crux of this debate is. If writers and artists wants to make somebody achieve something, its done. There have been cases where superman achieved things from plot device. What's stopping writers from instilling that type of thing to other characters? I mean are we talking plot of story or legacy?
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah but I still just don't see it. The reason Diana has endured in popularity all these years is because she's THE woman. Supergirl on the other hand... we've had like 4 or 5 of them now. Putting Kara in the top spot means splitting the relatively small female fangirl comic base between 2 characters. Honestly, you couldn't push Kara into the top spot without hurting WWs position. They could maintain both for a year or two, but ultimately I think it'd hurt sales(Kara wouldn't pull in as much as Supes does and WW would lose some of what she's got now) so I just don't think it's something DC would go for on anything close to a permanent/indefinite basis.Not to mention the fact that between Kara and WW, which one is physically superior is kinda up in the air among fans. Clark has clear physical superiority which WW can offset to a degree with her gear, but Kara and Diana are so close that WW's gear should give her a definite advantage. To me, it would make more sense to bump WW to #1 and bring in someone else to fill the empty spot in the trinity than it would to try to push Kara into the top spot. The whole idea of the trinity is kinda dependent on the ideals, Clark is the TOP man in the universe, WW is the TOP woman, and Bruce is the TOP human. Too much overlap and the trinity is too unstable to support it's basic premise.
Oh and Thor > Surfer