Originally posted by The Ellimist
A statement if P then Q does not necessarily imply the inverse that if not P then not Q. .i.e., saying that Trump supporters tend to have low IQs does not imply that only Trump supporters have low IQs.Ironically, you try to insult my intelligence while failing logic 101.
Dude you are rooting for a woman that gave Russia 1/5 of all our Uranium for $145,000,000, explain how you have any room to talk about anyone else but your own inept behavior in condoning this.
Re: High Skilled Immigrants
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Is there any reason, moral or economic, for having the absurd restrictions on high-skilled immigrants that America does today?Literally America tries as hard as possible to discourage the world's best and brightest from applying to universities; then, if they do, they try to get them to graduate and leave as rapidly as they can, thus consciously minimizing their economic value to us. Literally certain political segments of the U.S. are trying to go for a brain drain away from the United States. It's kind of comical, actually.
I don't mean to come down on your so hard but you're atrociously wrong. You could not have it more opposite.
It is extremely easy to get a green card if you have a masters or doctorates degree. There are special provisions on the applications for it. As long as you can demonstrate and the USCIS can verify it, you'll get a green card.
There are other provisions for people who own or have businesses. Professionals, if you will.
And to get into the US to go to school is incredibly easy as well. Let me put it this way, you can easily get approved to go to 12 years of school (to become an MD) but your parents will get rejected to come visit for just 2 weeks.
Where did you get your information from? I got my information from having gone through this very situation with my GF and her family.
I think we should relax immigration laws in the US, though. It takes far too long to become a citizen. And it is too difficult and long to get a green card.
I'm just very very confused that anyone, even if they aren't from this country, could think there are people that are saying they have issues with HIGHLY SKILLED workers coming into this country legally.
I've never once heard someone go "those f*cking immigrant scientists!". No, the common rhetoric for this bullshit is "they do the jobs most don't want to do". We are talking picking fruit, yard work, and shit like that. Physical labor, not friggin engineers and physicists and any of that other shit.
Originally posted by Surtur
I'm just very very confused that anyone, even if they aren't from this country, could think there are people that are saying they have issues with HIGHLY SKILLED workers coming into this country legally.I've never once heard someone go "those f*cking immigrant scientists!". No, the common rhetoric for this bullshit is "they do the jobs most don't want to do". We are talking picking fruit, yard work, and shit like that. Physical labor, not friggin engineers and physicists and any of that other shit.
OP is woefully incorrect in his premise. He has it opposite. I'm not sure how that happened.
Here are temporary visa categories:
https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/employment/temporary.html
Keep your head up, pay your taxes, and bide your time...then you can upgrade to permanent residency.
Granted, I think these waiting periods are far too long.
Immigrants have it rough. Theyre the first to sign up for shitty labour just to make a good impression. Nice people too. But even they understand saturated job markets and how it looks bad for them. They also hate drug dealers and terrorists like every day normal people. And theye not scientists. Kek.
Stupid scientists, taking all the silicon valley positions. Why dont they **** off back to Mexico!
Re: Re: High Skilled Immigrants
Originally posted by dadudemon
It is extremely easy to get a green card if you have a masters or doctorates degree. There are special provisions on the applications for it. As long as you can demonstrate and the USCIS can verify it, you'll get a green card.
1. Being "highly skilled" =/= having a higher degree; there are plenty of the former who do not fall under the latter. Indeed, I know people who fall under the former (as in, taking shots at the IMO) but have to do the latter, even though it provides little direct value to their particular profession, just so they can have a shot at a green card.
2. I would love to see evidence for your claim that it's "extremely easy" to get a green card with a higher degree. Relative to someone else? Sure. But in absolute terms, every single person I know in that category has taken at least five years to receive one, even if they obtained a national interest waiver.
3. It takes several more years to get citizenship, which is necessary to work for various federal agencies.
There are other provisions for people who own or have businesses. Professionals, if you will.And to get into the US to go to school is incredibly easy as well. Let me put it this way, you can easily get approved to go to 12 years of school (to become an MD) but your parents will get rejected to come visit for just 2 weeks.
Yes, this is true; but once you graduate, it's not guaranteed that your visa will be extended, even if you are, say, a high-profile engineer at a very prominent company. You know, to speak for some members of my social circle.
Where did you get your information from? I got my information from having gone through this very situation with my GF and her family.
How long did it take them to get their green cards?
I think we should relax immigration laws in the US, though. It takes far too long to become a citizen. And it is too difficult and long to get a green card.
But then you're actually agreeing with me...
Originally posted by Surtur
I'm just very very confused that anyone, even if they aren't from this country, could think there are people that are saying they have issues with HIGHLY SKILLED workers coming into this country legally.I've never once heard someone go "those f*cking immigrant scientists!". No, the common rhetoric for this bullshit is "they do the jobs most don't want to do". We are talking picking fruit, yard work, and shit like that. Physical labor, not friggin engineers and physicists and any of that other shit.
Do you wanna bet? If I can produce video of prominent politicians saying otherwise, you leave these forums forever? 👆
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Do you wanna bet? If I can produce video of prominent politicians saying otherwise, you leave these forums forever? 👆
What's with you and gambling? Get that shit under control. But alas: I wasn't talking about specifically just politicians there champ. You say Trump supporters are always b*tching about them ruining stuff, and I am telling you that most of the time they aren't talking about the kind of immigrants you are talking about.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Well you obviously aren't confident in your own claim, since now you're refusing to take the bet; in either case, your post didn't mention Trump supporters at all, it just mentioned "anyone", so yeah, I am a "champ" next to you, clearly.
Just wow, I can see why someone would think you're a teenager. Okay, so check this out: this entire thing began with me commenting to someone who was talking about you knocking Trump supporters.
Which you said they constantly whine about immigrants hurting the economy.
I am telling you most of the time they are not complaining about what you are trying to imply.
Originally posted by Surtur
Just wow, I can see why someone would think you're a teenager. Okay, so check this out: this entire thing began with me commenting to someone who was talking about you knocking Trump supporters.Which you said they constantly whine about immigrants hurting the economy.
I made a post in the first page saying that, yes, but this chain was from one post of yours in the second page that didn't reference the first one at all, lmao.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
I made a post in the first page saying that, yes, but this chain was from one post of yours in the second page that didn't reference the first one at all, lmao.
But I literally made a post readdressing the issue. No I didn't quote it, but I once again began talking about the notion that people seem to be complaining about these types. I figured someone as intelligent as you could infer what I was talking about.
This isn't what a majority of people complain over. If you misunderstood me, I have now cleared that up for you.
Originally posted by Surtur
I'm just very very confused that anyone, even if they aren't from this country, could think there are people that are saying they have issues with HIGHLY SKILLED workers coming into this country legally.I've never once heard someone go "those f*cking immigrant scientists!". No, the common rhetoric for this bullshit is "they do the jobs most don't want to do". We are talking picking fruit, yard work, and shit like that. Physical labor, not friggin engineers and physicists and any of that other shit.
Why would Americans complain about immigrants picking fruit, emotying2trash and cutting lawns when those are jobs Americans wont do?
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Why would Americans complain about immigrants picking fruit, emotying2trash and cutting lawns when those are jobs Americans wont do?
But that is just it: who decided those were jobs they won't do? I know PLENTY of legal people who do this kind of shit.
It's asinine, and it's a god damn insult to actual Americans who want to work hard. People don't mind picking fruit, they just don't want to do so at shit wages because the employers have the option to hire illegals and pay *them* shit wages.
So that is the type of people they are talking about though most of the time when they complain. Even if you falsely believe most Americans do not want to do these things, they absolutely are not(a majority of the time) complaining about friggin software engineers and shit.
Originally posted by Surtur
But that is just it: who decided those were jobs they won't do? I know PLENTY of legal people who do this kind of shit.
It's just some ridiculous myth that is blindly perpetuated here.
Same shit with immigrants working in the service industry because "nobody wants those jobs" and not because they can get away with paying half of what a legal citizen would ask.
Originally posted by Surtur
But that is just it: who decided those were jobs they won't do? I know PLENTY of legal people who do this kind of shit.It's asinine, and it's a god damn insult to actual Americans who want to work hard. People don't mind picking fruit, they just don't want to do so at shit wages because the employers have the option to hire illegals and pay *them* shit wages.
So that is the type of people they are talking about though most of the time when they complain. Even if you falsely believe most Americans do not want to do these things, they absolutely are not(a majority of the time) complaining about friggin software engineers and shit.
Really? They must lack higher education. Ive rarely encountered Americans who are willing to do that sort of menial labor. Especially if they are educated. The work to income ratio is too vast.