The argument's good in certain places, but some definite reaching at other points. DE Sidious has shrugged off the impact of a ton of a machinery being dropped on him, but he clearly wasn't immune to lightsabers, as evinced when Luke sliced off his hand. Inevitably, one of the Vaders will land a lightsaber strike as Sidious fights the others, and when that happens, Palpatine will not be simply shrugging it off.
As for Palpatine never being tired from Draining Byss - why would he be? You're forgetting that the product of Drain Life is actually funneling their life essence into yourself. Palpatine was at least constantly making up for the energy he expended on Draining them. If anything, he was empowered even further.
Sidious' best chance here is to teleport himself afar and just spam Force Storms to devastate the rest of the world he's on.
For what it's worth, if we take that sourcebook quote about Sedriss being able to defeat Luke seriously, then DE Sidious was literally empowering people to Vader+ tier on a whim. Also, when he empowered two of his other disciples, he was releasing galaxy-wide shockwaves through the Force that caused DE Luke palpable pain upon feeling said shockwaves.
Originally posted by SunRazer
The argument's good in certain places, but some definite reaching at other points. DE Sidious has shrugged off the impact of a ton of a machinery being dropped on him, but he clearly wasn't immune to lightsabers, as evinced when Luke sliced off his hand. Inevitably, one of the Vaders will land a lightsaber strike as Sidious fights the others, and when that happens, Palpatine will not be simply shrugging it off.
Originally posted by Azronger
First of all, I am perfectly aware that no author would ever write something like this in their works. However, this is not a novel, this forum isn’t a novel, and this thread isn’t a novel. There exists no such rule on KMC that you must make your arguments story-oriented and keep the plot interesting. I am analysing Darth Sidious’ capabilities based off of all the powers he has shown throughout his existence in the_Star Wars_universe, and am not taking into account whether or not he would abuse these in a novel or not. In other words, I am considering him with his morals off.
I doubt he would even engage them in a lightsaber duel, tbh. And I see no reason why he wouldn't keep his Force Barriers at their maximum.
As for Palpatine never being tired from Draining Byss - why would he be? You're forgetting that the product of Drain Life is actually funneling their life essence into yourself. Palpatine was at least constantly making up for the energy he expended on Draining them. If anything, he was empowered even further.
Was he? The population of Byss increased thousandfold over time; he'd have to spend all the energy he gained from it into draining more and more people. For a time, it was a never-ending cycle. In addition, he used Force Illusions and Mind Domination as well, which would've devoured his reserves even faster. His galaxy-wide Battle Meditation is something that he also arguably kept on for decades. Do you think the draining would've made up for all that?
Sidious' best chance here is to teleport himself afar and just spam Force Storms to devastate the rest of the world he's on.
I agree. I just felt like listing all the powers he could use to kill them.
Originally posted by Azronger
Thanks! But which ones?
Az Force Sidious is confirmed *thumbs up*
The gap between Vader and his master is pretty massive.
Most were great points, haven't read all of it yet, but I'd say the ongoing gauntlet featuring the Kursid's was a fairly weak juxtaposition for undying stamina. It's more or less an instance of force users being confronted with combatants that can't use the force and don't have the weaponary to really endanger the duo (e.g. heavy blasters, automatic blaster weapons). So why should we expect anything but a landslide victory for Team Sith here? And why wouldn't any other pair of trained force users come out of this with the very same result? For starters, The Jedi Exile could potentially do this on her own.
Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Az Force Sidious is confirmed *thumbs up*
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The gap between Vader and his master is pretty massiveMost were great points, haven't read all of it yet, but I'd say the ongoing gauntlet featuring the Kursid's was a fairly weak juxtaposition for undying stamina. It's more or less an instance of force users being confronted with combatants that can't use the force and don't have the weaponary to really endanger the duo (e.g. heavy blasters, automatic blaster weapons). So why should we expect anything but a landslide victory for Team Sith here? And why wouldn't any other pair of trained force users come out of this with the very same result? For Starter's, The Jedi Exile could potentially do this on her own.
Thanks for the compliments, appreciate it.
But I don't see what the issue is. Of course they were going to win, but that wasn't my point. The point being they could literally fight for hours on end - which is noted by the text - with no signs of exhaustion.
If other Force users could do the same, good for them. I'm well aware guys like Revan and the Exile have better army busting feats, but again, that's beside the point.
Originally posted by Azronger
Thanks! But which ones?
- Killing almost any finite number of Vader's(as if he can kill them in the trillions)
- Him having infinite stamina(just because he can fight droids for hours doesn't mean he can do so to thousands of Darth Vader's -- the more the challenging the foe, the more reserves you'd have to waste to dispatch them)
- Assuming eating a slice of cake is a good metaphor for the Dark Side adepts actually aiding in strengthening Byss
- Assuming the gap between a Kursid warrior and Darth Vader is the same as the gap between TPM and DE Sidious
Just some stuff off the top of my head.
Also, I PMed you on Vine.