When people are described to be enveloped in a storm of lightning in novels, in the Sidious/Mace fight, in the Vader/Starkiller fight and the storm Bane summoned in PoD filling the entire room.
I actually think I'd disagree there. Each encounter with the GI Kanan markedly improves to the point GI comments on it and Kanan admits he's been practicing.
Fair enough.
1. The Lightning goes everywhere in front of them, not around. Anyways, any successful dispelling of Lightning done with a lightsaber has involved drawing it into the blade. I've yet to see an example of otherwise.
2. Sure, but the last encounter before that had Kanan being markedly inferior. He's not improving so quickly that he can beat the GI so convincingly.
As I said before, if you seriously think Kanan improved that much, then he should still be easily beating the other Inquisitors, since there's no way those ones would've grown at the same rate as Kanan, and as of Kanan beating the GI, they were still inferior to the GI.
Your theory just doesn't reconcile properly. Whereas Kanan's performance against the GI being a one-off fits perfectly.
Originally posted by SunRazer
1. The Lightning goes everywhere in front of them, not around. Anyways, any successful dispelling of Lightning done with a lightsaber has involved drawing it into the blade. I've yet to see an example of otherwise.2. Sure, but the last encounter before that had Kanan being markedly inferior. He's not improving so quickly that he can beat the GI so convincingly.
As I said before, if you seriously think Kanan improved that much, then he should still be easily beating the other Inquisitors, since there's no way those ones would've grown at the same rate as Kanan, and as of Kanan beating the GI, they were still inferior to the GI.
Your theory just doesn't reconcile properly. Whereas Kanan's performance against the GI being a one-off fits perfectly.
In the instances mentioned there were stray bolts that went around them but just wide of hitting their sides. Krayt's a good example of this as well.
Not saying they would have grown at the same rate of course but they did demonstrate a decent amount of power and as I said they would be growing at a faster rate then the GI as they're relatively untrained compared to the full training up to Jedi Knighthood the GI recieved. It makes sense that they may have surpassed the GI sometime into S2.
And for Kanan the only fights we have of him with the Inquisitors was either 2 against 1 or when he had Ezra to worry about.
1. They weren't really at risk of actually enveloping the person, though. They never got further than the lightsaber.
As I said, though, every case of repelling Lightning with a lightsaber seems to involve drawing bolts into the blade.
2. You're not understanding me. Even if they improved to the point that they surpassed the GI, Kanan would've been improving faster. According to you, he was already their better by the end of Season 1 since he's better than the Grand Inquisitor, which gives him a head-start. If he's growing faster than they are, then there shouldn't be a way for them to get close to him in Season 2.
And we can clearly tell whether it's easy for him to beat them or not.
Yeah, probably used the wrong word there. I don't mean they envelop the person, just the space around them.
Malgus is the only example it's specifically mentioned. The other instances were just people blocking singular bolts or not drawing ALL of the lightning to their blade, either because they couldn't or because they just didn't bother to.
2. Oh no you misunderstood, I'm not denying that Kanan was amped to some degree against the GI. Just that the amp wasn't as large as some people make out.
With Ezra? I'd think he'd need to maintain close proximity to him to ensure the Inquisitors don't separate them and end up killing Ezra ( as of S2 ).
1. Malgus is not the only example. There's also AotC Obi-Wan, Mace, Anakin in TCW (and it's explicitly stated that he does so in the junior novel), etc.
I can't think of any examples of the opposite.
2. Amped? I'm not talking about an amp. I'm talking about growth in power. Not sure if you're understanding my point.
Originally posted by SunRazer
1. Malgus is not the only example. There's also AotC Obi-Wan, Mace, Anakin in TCW (and it's explicitly stated that he does so in the junior novel), etc.I can't think of any examples of the opposite.
2. Amped? I'm not talking about an amp. I'm talking about growth in power. Not sure if you're understanding my point.
1. Can you provide the quotes.
2. Can you elaborate then? Cause I'm saying Kanan was performing slightly better then he would have when he beat the GI and then grew from there at a greater rate then the SS and FB while the SS and FB surpassed the GI sometime in S2. Kanan was superior to either of them individually imo but due to his only performances against them being when he was with Ezra or in a 2v1 this was nwver demonstrated.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
1. Can you provide the quotes.2. Can you elaborate then? Cause I'm saying Kanan was performing slightly better then he would have when he beat the GI and then grew from there at a greater rate then the SS and FB while the SS and FB surpassed the GI sometime in S2. Kanan was superior to either of them individually imo but due to his only performances against them being when he was with Ezra or in a 2v1 this was nwver demonstrated.
1. Just look at the feats on-screen. They're drawing it into their blade, clearly. Again, can you show me an example where this clearly doesn't happen?
2. You agree that the GI was still above the other Inquisitors as of his death, yes? And you think Kanan is already above the GI?
In other words, Kanan has a huge head-start on the other Inquisitors. Even if the other Inquisitors grow during Season 2, according to you, Kanan's going to grow faster (based on how much better his performance gets against the GI). So it still makes no sense that Kanan has any sort of difficulty with the Inquisitors.
It's obvious that Kanan beating the GI was a circumstantial thing. If you accept it as such, everything else is reconciled. If you pretend that it's just Kanan being better, then you're left with no way to explain his performance against the other Inquisitors later on.
Originally posted by SunRazer
1. Just look at the feats on-screen. They're drawing it into their blade, clearly. Again, can you show me an example where this clearly doesn't happen?2. You agree that the GI was still above the other Inquisitors as of his death, yes? And you think Kanan is already above the GI?
In other words, Kanan has a huge head-start on the other Inquisitors. Even if the other Inquisitors grow during Season 2, according to you, Kanan's going to grow faster (based on how much better his performance gets against the GI). So it still makes no sense that Kanan has any sort of difficulty with the Inquisitors.
It's obvious that Kanan beating the GI was a circumstantial thing. If you accept it as such, everything else is reconciled. If you pretend that it's just Kanan being better, then you're left with no way to explain his performance against the other Inquisitors later on.
1. Until you can prove that characters drawing the lightning into their blade is the standard by which Force users block Force lightning I don't have to.
2. At the time of the GI's death? I think he was at least equal or about on the GI's level at that point, yes.
He doesn't. SS only manages to gain an advantage with the use of droids and Kanan has to stick nearby Ezra during 2v2 fights with the Inquisitors.
I didn't say it wasn't circumstantial. I just don't believe it was as circumstantial as some presume.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
1. Until you can prove that characters drawing the lightning into their blade is the standard by which Force users block Force lightning I don't have to.2. At the time of the GI's death? I think he was at least equal or about on the GI's level at that point, yes.
He doesn't. SS only manages to gain an advantage with the use of droids and Kanan has to stick nearby Ezra during 2v2 fights with the Inquisitors.
I didn't say it wasn't circumstantial. I just don't believe it was as circumstantial as some presume.
1. I assume it's the standard because literally every example I know of includes such. When you don't draw it into the blade something like Chratis wrecking Shigar happens.
2. She doesn't need to gain an advantage to prove my point. She really shouldn't be comparing at all.
1. It's an example of someone not properly drawing the Lightning into the blade, so it continues onward and gets into the hilt, destroying it.
You've repeatedly failed to present an example of somebody not drawing it into the blade. I think we can assume what the standard is.
2. Certainly much higher than he's shown to be in Season 2.
1. Proof that it was the fault of the character blocking the lightning rather then just a well aimed blast by the attacker?
2. I mean, granted he didn't demonstrate anything incredible in S2 but his performances against the Inquisitors would be relative to their own power levels and Ezra is still his inferior. Vader's beyond any of the people we're talking about so his performance against him was fair.
1. Here:
Darth Chratis sent a wave of lightning across the gap between them. Shigar tried to catch it with his lightsaber. The shock coursed up the blade, into the hilt, and from there into his right arm.-- Fatal Alliance
The fact that he "tried" to catch it but failed would suggest his inexperience cost him the ability to repel it properly. There was nothing special about the way Chratis cast the Lightning. IIRC, he also failed to catch the Lightning from Eldon Ax.
2. I wasn't talking about Vader in any way, lol. I'm saying Kanan beating the GI was circumstantial.
1. You're beginning to make up story elements to suit your point. The fact of the matter is that my case is well-supported, and yours isn't. Until I see someone successfully defending against Lightning with a blade without drawing it into the blade, then Kanan can't do it, or at least not easily.
2. In any case, that doesn't leave Kanan with much. He's the worst duelist here, not Atris or Vrook.
I'm coming up with a possible explanation for why it would have occurred just as you are. Your's being that lightning needs to be drawn into the blade with the Force to block it and mine being that he simply angled it incorrectly causing the lightning to spread to the hilt. How is yours "well supported?" There's a single example of lightning being drawn into a blade mentioned in Deceived and then you want to assume that that needs to happen in every single other case where no mention of such an action occurs. You're free to think that if you want.
When you say duelist do you mean lightsaber combatant or in regards to technical skill? Because Kanan paired with his power ( and his logical augmentation ) and his likely skill as of S2 is most certainly not the worst lightsaber combatant