Where do you rank Count Dooku among the Sith Lords?

Originally posted by SunRazer
Not really. There's lots of moments where characters fall down but come back up and keep fighting, sometimes even fighting on to win.

Anakin was down and stunned long enough for Dooku to blast him with lightning or something. And in that position Dooku would have gained the advantage by attacking him as he's regaining his feet. But I was more thinking that While Anakin is staggering back and pinwheeling his arms Dooku could hit him with his saber.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Well, there's the script.

That specific sequence isn't noted. And I'd say the script isn't really realised well in the movie in this regard.

Originally posted by SunRazer
He blocked Anakin's strike by driving his and Obi-Wan's blade into it, which interrupted the swing and weakened the kinetic energy it produced. That doesn't mean he was comfortably blocking Anakin's strikes at all.

Yeah, forcing Obi-Wan's blade up so he can block both of them at the same time with 1 hand with no problem certainly doesn't imply superiority. 🙄

Come on, don't be petty about this. It's one of the most clear displays of superiority out there. Also if I read you correctly you all you said was that Dooku blocked him. How is blocking his saber "weakening his kinetic energy"? He just blocked his attack. This doesn't mitigate the showing.

Regardless, its a display of Dooku winning the fight. Regardless of if its through power or skill.

Originally posted by SunRazer
He wasn't doing that the entire time in the bladelock, as I said.

So?

Originally posted by SunRazer
Saw what you did there. Terrible pun for somebody who claims to be British.

Anyways, you mean this?

Yes.

I wonder how Neph can argue Dooku was winning that fight yet rank him so low lmao.

1. Anakin could've blocked with his lightsaber. The person who wrote and coordinated that fight also has Anakin above Dooku, for what it's worth.

2. The script does depict the overall fight, though, which is Dooku and Obi-Wan tiring as Anakin relentlessly comes at the Count.

3. It's a moment of Dooku expertly using leverage to control Obi-Wan's saber, I'll give you that. Blocking a strike does not mean you're winning at all, lol. If there was such a disparity to begin with, Dooku would've simply done that repeatedly, not as a one-off.

I do see your point, which is that Dooku had the advantage at more points than Anakin/Obi-Wan did. Although Anakin and Obi-Wan were slowly and interruptedly driving Dooku back throughout the fight, so the overall fight was in favor of the duo. Dooku was just really good at leverage and used that at critical points in the duel.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I wonder how Neph can argue Dooku was winning that fight yet rank him so low lmao.

He ranks the other two quite low as well.

I just rank the duo lower, lol.

Of course, the TOR phag always finds a way to force his twisted hierarchy. 🙂

So... Malgus > Dooku > Anakin?

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. Anakin could've blocked with his lightsaber. The person who wrote and coordinated that fight also has Anakin above Dooku, for what it's worth.

Lol, doubt it. Looking at the scene Dooku definitely would have been able to cut him. And Gillard's incompetence doesn't matter. Unless he changed his mind or Lucas told him to show things differently, he just flat out didn't display his later statements in the film. If he wanted to show Anakin being better throughout the fight then he utterly ****ing failed.

Originally posted by SunRazer
2. The script does depict the overall fight, though, which is Dooku and Obi-Wan tiring as Anakin relentlessly comes at the Count.

At no point does Dooku show any indication of tiredness in the movie. It's almost as if Lucas wrote the script in a single draft a few weeks before filming or something.

Originally posted by SunRazer
3. It's a moment of Dooku expertly using leverage to control Obi-Wan's saber, I'll give you that. Blocking a strike does not mean you're winning at all, lol. If there was such a disparity to begin with, Dooku would've simply done that repeatedly, not as a one-off.

It's put in the movie (unlike all these times when Anakin was supposedly whooping Dooku), its obviously intended to show us how the fight is going. What do you think it displays? Because to me Dooku is showing the clear advantage. He isn't just controlling Obi-Wan's saber, he's doing it while blocking Anakin, with a single hand and no indication of effort. It's inarguable that it's a display of him winning at that point.

Dooku does do it repeatedly. He never shows any effort in blocking Anakin's strikes, he pushes him back hard enough that he almost falls over and he's winning the saberlock at the end. When Anakin's losing in strength, and consistently at that, that should tell you how the fight is going.

Originally posted by SunRazer
I do see your point, which is that Dooku had the advantage at more points than Anakin/Obi-Wan did. Although Anakin and Obi-Wan were slowly and interruptedly driving Dooku back throughout the fight, so the overall fight was in favor of the duo. Dooku was just really good at leverage and used that at critical points in the duel.

As far as I'm concerned, Anakin and Obi-Wan never had the advantage until after the bladelock. Even if you think Anakin was driving Dooku back on the stairs, right after that Dooku pushes Anakin back so hard he pinwheels and almost falls over.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
So... Malgus > Dooku > Anakin?

Yes. Though obviously fights are more rock-paper-scissors than A>B>C.

Gross.

From my point of view Anakin > Malgus is gross!

Tell me when Malgus is the most powerful Jedi of all time 🙂

I can't cuz he's dead. 🙁

Originally posted by Nephthys
He never shows any effort in blocking Anakin's strikes, he pushes him back hard enough that he almost falls over and he's winning the saberlock at the end. When Anakin's losing in strength, and consistently at that, that should tell you how the fight is going.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I can't cuz he's dead. 🙁