Originally posted by Silent MasterBecause I believed it was more than 100 yards.I looked up the scene far before you posted it and said between 40 and 100 yards. If it was 100 yards then I wouldn't be surprised. We don't know the actual distance.
Then explain why you started off claiming it was 100 yards.
Originally posted by h1a8
Because I believed it was more than 100 yards.I looked up the scene far before you posted it and said between 40 and 100 yards. If it was 100 yards then I wouldn't be surprised. We don't know the actual distance.
See, you're still trying to claim that it might have been 100 yards.
Prove it.
Originally posted by FrothByteThat means you didn't understand. I'm used to it as I teach math. To shoot a bullet into the same bullet hole without increasing the hole size requires mm or better accuracy. For example, being slightly off from pure center would make the hole larger (hitting off center of the hole). DS shot many bullets in the same hole without making the hole larger.
Still don't know where you got the number 1mm from because most bullet diameters are quite larger than 1mm.
Originally posted by h1a8
The fly feat was good because of hitting a fast moving target, not because of pinpoint accuracy. DS shooting feats from pinpoint accuracy is better. It's a lot harder to hit a 1mm target from 100-300 feet away, many times repeatedly than it is to hit a 5mm target from a few feet away. It's not even close.That's why I said they are close to equals. One is more accurate and the other has a faster perception.
He didn't shoot a 5mm target. He shot the wing joints, so the wings came cleanly off. That is a WAY smaller target than 5mm. It's less than 1mm. And the targets were buzzing about. So no, it is not even close. Wesley's feat is better.
Originally posted by h1a8
Wesley was nervous as hell the entire time. He never wanted to kill anyone. That's why he said, "I'm sorry". Also he managed to flip the car by BEING AMPED. That's huge evidence he was amped.
So you don't actually remember the scene then. Wesley had a smug smile on his face as he was casually, and sarcastically, saying "I'm sorry", as he plugged the guy in the chest. And prove he was amped when he flipped the car. He and Fox used two cars to do it. So show this "huge" evidence. Because there are zero visual or audible clues that he was amped before the flip. And I want actual screen evidence. Not more of your own opinion.
Originally posted by h1a8
So again. The bell rings and DS gets off 10 shots instantly. Wesley doesn't have a chance unless he starts amped. Being able to shoot 1 bullet out of the air isn't enough. Remember DS has a machine gun.
So again, you basically ignore evidence and script the fight how you want it to go, to give you favourite the win.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
He didn't shoot a 5mm target. He shot the wing joints, so the wings came cleanly off. That is a WAY smaller target than 5mm. It's less than 1mm. And the targets were buzzing about. So no, it is not even close. Wesley's feat is better.So you don't actually remember the scene then. Wesley had a smug smile on his face as he was casually, and sarcastically, saying "I'm sorry", as he plugged the guy in the chest. And prove he was amped when he flipped the car. He and Fox used two cars to do it. So show this "huge" evidence. Because there are zero visual or audible clues that he was amped before the flip. And I want actual screen evidence. Not more of your own opinion.
So again, you basically ignore evidence and script the fight how you want it to go, to give you favourite the win.
How do you know the tip of the bullet struck the joint? The diameter of a 9mm bullet is large enough to completely destroy the fly and part of the wing if the bullet tip hit the joint. The bullet is too wide to only hit the joint and nothing else. Flies are small. Also the tip of a typical 9mm bullet is about 3-5mm in diameter (they are blunt and not pin point). This means that Wesley has 6-10mm to work with.
Explain how Wesley is able to flip the car like that without being amped.
No fraternity member can perform crazy feats without being amped first.
You don't have to see signs of someone being amped (like slow motion) for them to be actually amped. There were many scenes where different fraternity members (including Wesley) were amped without the camera slowing time down.
DS was within 1mm accurate from 40-100 yards away, not a few feet away.
Also, it is ASTRONOMICALLY harder to hit the same shot within 1mm of accuracy MANY TIMES than it is to hit it with that same degree of accuracy 1 or 2 times.
Originally posted by h1a8
That means you didn't understand. I'm used to it as I teach math. To shoot a bullet into the same bullet hole without increasing the hole size requires mm or better accuracy. For example, being slightly off from pure center would make the hole larger (hitting off center of the hole). DS shot many bullets in the same hole without making the hole larger.
So basically you made up that 1mm number. Got it. Even if you're hitting the same place over and over again, that's not a 1 mm target. And you have zero proof that the hole was not getting larger, even by a few mm. LIterally, no proof.
Originally posted by h1a8
How do you know the tip of the bullet struck the joint? The diameter of a 9mm bullet is large enough to completely destroy the fly and part of the wing if the bullet tip hit the joint. The bullet is too wide to only hit the joint and nothing else. Flies are small. Also the tip of a typical 9mm bullet is about 3-5mm in diameter (they are blunt and not pin point). This means that Wesley has 6-10mm to work with.Explain how Wesley is able to flip the car like that without being amped.
No fraternity member can perform crazy feats without being amped first.
You don't have to see signs of someone being amped (like slow motion) for them to be actually amped. There were many scenes where different fraternity members (including Wesley) were amped without the camera slowing time down.DS was within 1mm accurate from 40-100 yards away, not a few feet away.
Also, it is ASTRONOMICALLY harder to hit the same shot within 1mm of accuracy MANY TIMES than it is to hit it 1 or 2 times.
Let me put it to you this way. In real life, there are marksmen good enough to hit the same spot more than once. Maybe not as fast and not as consistently as DS but it is possible. Even archers are able to do it when they hit the back of their own arrows.
But there has never been (in my knowledge) any person who was able to intentionally shoot the wings off of a fly. Heck, I doubt any person is able to hit a fly with a bullet let alone just shooting off his wings. That should give you an idea of the difference in skill required in the two scenarios.
Originally posted by FrothByte
So basically you made up that 1mm number. Got it. Even if you're hitting the same place over and over again, that's not a 1 mm target. And you have zero proof that the hole was not getting larger, even by a few mm. LIterally, no proof.
Originally posted by h1a8
Stop derailing the thread and debate. I'm a scientist. You guys are not. I argue based off logic, not popularity. Refute my argument or don't debate. Enough with the flame posts.
What can be said that hasn't already been said? You just don't accept things. The clip of the end of Wanted when Morgan Freeman is killed was more than enough to cement victory for Wesley, but you don't want to face that fact.
Also wait did you just claim to be a scientist?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Let me put it to you this way. In real life, there are marksmen good enough to hit the same spot more than once. Maybe not as fast and not as consistently as DS but it is possible. Even archers are able to do it when they hit the back of their own arrows.But there has never been (in my knowledge) any person who was able to intentionally shoot the wings off of a fly. Heck, I doubt any person is able to hit a fly with a bullet let alone just shooting off his wings. That should give you an idea of the difference in skill required in the two scenarios.
Wrong, no human can hit the same target within 1mm apart more than 2 times. The chances that they could do so even once is beyond imagination.
I'm referring from 40-100 yards away. Hitting the back of an arrow is not 1mm accuracy. The diameter of an arrow and it's back is much larger than 1mm.
Originally posted by Surtur
What can be said that hasn't already been said? You just don't accept things. The clip of the end of Wanted when Morgan Freeman is killed was more than enough to cement victory for Wesley, but you don't want to face that fact.Also wait did you just claim to be a scientist?
That wasn't a good feat at all. Wesley had a SPECIAL GUN, a SPECIAL BULLET, and a PHUCKING POWERFUL SCOPE. I can see if Wesley did it with his naked eye with a normal gun with a normal bullet. Plus Morgan Freeman's forehead is MANY TIMES LARGER than 1mm.
Basically increasing the size of a target by 50 times allows to 50 times more distance. And using a scope than amplifies sight allows many times more distance on TOP OF THAT.
A master sniper can hit a target from a mile away USING A POWERFUL SCOPE. Without a scope then his range is severely limited.
Originally posted by h1a8
How do you know the tip of the bullet struck the joint? The diameter of a 9mm bullet is large enough to completely destroy the fly and part of the wing if the bullet tip hit the joint. The bullet is too wide to only hit the joint and nothing else. Flies are small. Also the tip of a typical 9mm bullet is about 3-5mm in diameter (they are blunt and not pin point). This means that Wesley has 6-10mm to work with.
Because we visibly see the three flies and their cleanly severed wings in Sloan's palm. And are you actually trying to apply RL dynamics to a movie where people were shooting bullets around corners?
Originally posted by h1a8
Explain how Wesley is able to flip the car like that without being amped.
No fraternity member can perform crazy feats without being amped first.
You don't have to see signs of someone being amped (like slow motion) for them to be actually amped. There were many scenes where different fraternity members (including Wesley) were amped without the camera slowing time down.
I already told you how it happened. He rode his car onto the hood of Fox's, at an angle, and flipped it over. Cars have been flipped in a similar manner in RL before. Real people can't accelerate their heart to over 400 beats a minute via willpower. So good job presenting absolutely zero proper evidence to support your claim.
Originally posted by h1a8
DS was within 1mm accurate from 40-100 yards away, not a few feet away.
Also, it is ASTRONOMICALLY harder to hit the same shot within 1mm of accuracy MANY TIMES than it is to hit it with that same degree of accuracy 1 or 2 times.
And shooting a guy around a corner, without the aid of a ricochet, literally defies the laws of physics, yet Wesley can do it.
Originally posted by h1a8
Wrong, no human can hit the same target within 1mm apart more than 2 times. The chances that they could do so even once is beyond imagination.I'm referring from 40-100 yards away. Hitting the back of an arrow is not 1mm accuracy. The diameter of an arrow and it's back is much larger than 1mm.
Again, you have no proof that DS didn't hit the same target without any deviation of 1mm. You can't say "Because the hole didn't look bigger" because you literally won't be able to see 1mm difference from that distance. This is common sense dude.
Also, 40-100 yards is a made up number. If you knew anything about judging distances especially indoors you'd know that those targets were around 30 yards max.
Finally, you know nothing about archery. If you don't hit the back of your arrow at the exact center then your arrow will veer off to the side. For you to actually jam your arrow through another arrow, you have to hit the exact center. So yes, it is possible for normal humans to hit the exact same target more than once.
Now answer me this, give e an example of a person shooting a fly.
Originally posted by h1a8
That wasn't a good feat at all. Wesley had a SPECIAL GUN, a SPECIAL BULLET, and a PHUCKING POWERFUL SCOPE. I can see if Wesley did it with his naked eye with a normal gun with a normal bullet. Plus Morgan Freeman's forehead is MANY TIMES LARGER than 1mm.Basically increasing the size of a target by 50 times allows to 50 times more distance. And using a scope than amplifies sight allows many times more distance on TOP OF THAT.
A master sniper can hit a target from a mile away USING A POWERFUL SCOPE. Without a scope then his range is severely limited.
So wait, are you saying you feel someone in the real world could pull off that shot if given the same equipment?