Originally posted by Ambient
Confirmed?? - reaching much?? Please post a scan of evidence that depicts your claim, where was it stated that another was release? Fact: There was only 10 made and all was lost except 111, as stated in SS V3 #111..
This has been explained to you several times by now.
That would be true if the Outrider 7 was in the mind of Surfer. As seen in SS 115, surfer expelled it from his mind.And it was finally the part of Uni-lord.
And as seen later, Surfer expelled all the souls in the cosmic swell.
One qualities of the communication bolt are that it pretty much is invisible, where even the likes of Heimdall, Quasar and BRB can't visibly detect..
As opposed to this..
This is circular logic at best. Quasar flat out says that the bolt is the same as previous commincation bolt. No amount of bitching would change that.
or this, the impact alone almost blew Bill as well.. This was no communication bolt as shown in the difference of its qualities; the com. bolt is so small that visibly detecting it is impossible, totally unlike the silver streak of light/ comet that came out of the breach.
It is the same as stated clearly in the comic.
Like i said we've been through this before, I don't see why your so adamantly fixed on your claim when there isn't a single shred of evidence to your point, as oppose to mine, Surfer the only being shown on panel to ever inter the breach at end ----- AGAIN NO COMMUNICATION BOLT WAS SHOWN.
Surfer never entered the breach and he was never named once as the silver comet.
And likely the only being shown to exit it, depicted by way of a silver comet streaking out of the breach..
Not even an implication of it being Surfer.
[B]UNLESS YOU HAVE PROOF TO VALIDATE YOUR CLAIM, IT HAS NO MERIT..
You've lost your goddamn mind.
I've already provided proof that it was just a communication bolt released by Surfer in the cosmic swell.
Now you prove it was an alternate Surfer.
at you thinking you've won..
I already won two years ago when I busted this myth.
Shame - Shame - Shame [/B]Haha, the sheer gall of this guy.
Bring a single proof that it was alternate surfer and then talk to me.
Originally posted by abhilegend
This has been explained to you several times by now.
?? Explained what exactly??
reaching much! - Oclin soul has nothing to do with the actual 111 database that was downloaded to Surfer @ they're first meeting. The purpose of outrider 111 was to interface and download coordinates to the would be savior. This allowed Surfer to navigate inside the swell to the Unilord Universe, the same coordinates used to navigate back to 616..
SS V3 #111 This process is done physically, Surfer literally became designate outlander 111 after the interface..
This is circular logic at best. Quasar flat out says that the bolt is the same as previous commincation bolt. No amount of bitching would change that.
Surfer never entered the breach and he was never named once as the silver comet.
Silver light, Silver comet - those com. bolt sure wasn't referred as that, in fact they're hardly visible even to the like of Heimdall.. The scan below is Surfer..
You've lost your goddamn mind. I've already provided proof that it was just a communication bolt released by Surfer in the cosmic swell.Now you prove it was an alternate Surfer.
Pretty much covered and done it - heck forum members even agreed, the only likely conclusion evidently proven..
I already won two years ago when I busted this myth.
Anyhow we've derailed this thread far enough, Ill accept your concession..
Thank you and there is no shame in that..
Originally posted by Ambient
?? Explained what exactly??
That its non canon and you're pretty much living in your own reality where it's canon. Your own Unilord saga.
reaching much! - Oclin soul has nothing to do with the actual 111 database that was downloaded to Surfer @ they're first meeting. The purpose of outrider 111 was to interface and download coordinates to the would be savior. This allowed Surfer to navigate inside the swell to the Unilord Universe, the same coordinates used to navigate back to 616..
It had everything to do with the database as he merged with Surfer to give him the knowledge and then he was expelled, expelling the database as well.
SS V3 #111 This process is done physically, Surfer literally became designate outlander 111 after the interface..
Because he was merged with outrider. Who was then expelled.
Bitching 😆 You've got to stop twisting the story dude.. Quasar, Bill doesn't even know what it is, as far as they're informed, its just a signal consisting of binary # 's..
Which it was. Strange that they never said it was an alternate version of the very same person they were looking at.
Gotta wonder if were on the same page here, SS V3 #21 Unilord Surfer entering the breach.
He returned back to his own universe after expelling all the souls in the rift.
C'mon, don't be disingenuous like this.
Silver light, Silver comet - those com. bolt sure wasn't referred as that, in fact they're hardly visible even to the like of Heimdall.. The scan below is Surfer..
No, it is not. Provide a comment from a character or narrative that it was Surfer.
Until then, keep your tinfoil hat on and STFU.
😂 😆 So now we have Unilord Surfer releasing another distress com. bolt into the breach after the bad guys was defeated?? Universe save?? Does that remotely make sense to you?
Yes, in the story it does. How is that Surfer never had a memory of merging with another Surfer or gained twice as much power?
Because it never happened.
Pretty much covered and done it - heck forum members even agreed, the only likely conclusion evidently proven..
You just provided proof of your idiocy. Nothing more.
You even read the thread you posted that? You got mocked but hey if you think that's a win, more power to yah.. Your must be a special kind of individual type of person 😱 .
I never give a shit about what some online ***** thinks about me. What matters is that I'm right and others are wrong.
Anyhow we've derailed this thread far enough, Ill accept your concession..
Thank you and there is no shame in that..
Hahaha, as usual you run away again. I'm going to wreck you again in 2017 on this very same topic using very same scans.
Originally posted by abhilegend
All of you vs me. Who wants to argue Unilord saga is canon based on a totally ambiguous scan where a communication bolt hits Surfer and Surfer has never had any recollection of Unilord saga?
lol aside from some of what has been mentioned already, issue 111 makes your stance nonsensical to me. you know ss could have actually reached the uni-lord's world WITHOUT travelling the swell, right....? if he could have flown there, it wasn't any sort of alt. reality or anything, clearly. there is also the entire backstory of issue 111 and the whole 'change of direction' narrative that was warned about by the marvel editorial staff. do you really think they would go to all that trouble of painting a picture of a NEW adventure for ss, only to have an....alternate ss have the adventure?? and a poorly defined alt ss at that?? i mean vartu is even referenced in biographies as being a 616 entity. yeah yeah, bios are admissible, but when there is also evidence that supports the same conclusion it just adds more to the pot. aside from your interpretation, there is....literally, not a single place or source anywhere that says it was an alternate ss who went through the swell. you know i'm not an abhi hater, but this time i think you're flat wrong. /shrug
if i had time currently i'd def bz you on the topic with a forum ruling in the balance--if i win it's declared canon, if you do, it's non-canon.
as it stands, ambient has done a great job repping the topic and i'm almost certain if bada or pr were asked to review what has been presented, your side wouldn't hold up. i'll def take you up on the challenge at a later date though if it hasn't been settled by then. 👆
Originally posted by abhilegend
That its non canon and you're pretty much living in your own reality where it's canon. Your own Unilord saga.
It had everything to do with the database as he merged with Surfer to give him the knowledge and then he was expelled, expelling the database as well.
However if you want to continue with your twisted interpretation, there's a flaw. Surfer became the Unilord and with it the soul of Oclin - 111 database as you presumably submise - what once lost is now regained.
"Let me beat you to the punch", there was never any mention of Unilord Surfer releasing the soul of Oclin in the breach or for that matter releasing all the Unilords power in the breach..
So either way you look at it, be it mine or your twisted interpretation Unilord Surfer still retained the Outlander 111 database, which was farther supported when the silver streak of light/ silver comet collided/ merge with 616 Surfer - uttering the word 111, which means, YES, Unilord Silver Surfer designate 111.
CANON HOWEVER YOU LOOK IT
Because he was merged with outrider. Who was then expelled.look at above post he got it back, when he became the Unilord Surfer.
He returned back to his own universe after expelling all the souls in the rift.
No, it is not. Provide a comment from a character or narrative that it was Surfer.Until then, keep your tinfoil hat on and STFU.
Yes, in the story it does. How is that Surfer never had a memory of merging with another Surfer or gained twice as much power?
Probably because its too much for his psyche to handle, and the experience is overwhelming. Why would he have twice as much power?
I never give a shit about what some online ***** thinks about me. What matters is that I'm right and others are wrong.I see! That figures, I feel sorry for you dude, being alone and no friends.. 😂 😂 😆
Anyhow a recap:
I broke your argument to pieces, your only evidence - thought a twisted interpretation was countered when Surfer became Unilord and regained Oclin soul back therefore still is designate 111.
The Unilord Silver Surfer is likely the only one to come out of the breach which was farther supported when 616 Surfer uttered 111 (Unilord Surfer) after the collision and mergence.
Can't say you've countered any of mine.
Originally posted by leonidas
lol aside from some of what has been mentioned already, issue 111 makes your stance nonsensical to me. you know ss could have actually reached the uni-lord's world WITHOUT travelling the swell, right....? if he could have flown there, it wasn't any sort of alt. reality or anything, clearly. there is also the entire backstory of issue 111 and the whole 'change of direction' narrative that was warned about by the marvel editorial staff. do you really think they would go to all that trouble of painting a picture of a NEW adventure for ss, only to have an....alternate ss have the adventure?? and a poorly defined alt ss at that?? i mean vartu is even referenced in biographies as being a 616 entity. yeah yeah, bios are admissible, but when there is also evidence that supports the same conclusion it just adds more to the pot. aside from your interpretation, there is....literally, not a single place or source anywhere that says it was an alternate ss who went through the swell. you know i'm not an abhi hater, but this time i think you're flat wrong. /shrugif i had time currently i'd def bz you on the topic with a forum ruling in the balance--if i win it's declared canon, if you do, it's non-canon.
as it stands, ambient has done a great job repping the topic and i'm almost certain if bada or pr were asked to review what has been presented, your side wouldn't hold up. i'll def take you up on the challenge at a later date though if it hasn't been settled by then. 👆
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Couldn't we just have a couple of mod read it and have them decide, course if Abhi is willing..
Originally posted by leonidas
lol aside from some of what has been mentioned already, issue 111 makes your stance nonsensical to me. you know ss could have actually reached the uni-lord's world WITHOUT travelling the swell, right....?
No, he couldn't. And I don't know WTF are you talking about? Its made clear that Surfer didn't reach the unilord universe and its all a what If scenario. Heck, he mentions that in another title as well.
This is from Spider-Man Team up 2 where he mentions how he was unable to go to Unilord universe.
if he could have flown there, it wasn't any sort of alt. reality or anything, clearly. there is also the entire backstory of issue 111 and the whole 'change of direction' narrative that was warned about by the marvel editorial staff. do you really think they would go to all that trouble of painting a picture of a NEW adventure for ss, only to have an....alternate ss have the adventure?? and a poorly defined alt ss at that?? i mean vartu is even referenced in biographies as being a 616 entity. yeah yeah, bios are admissible, but when there is also evidence that supports the same conclusion it just adds more to the pot.
This is what, random nonsense? Yes, it happened to an alternate surfer, that's irrefutable.
aside from your interpretation, there is....literally, not a single place or source anywhere that says it was an alternate ss who went through the swell.
Seriously? The comic flat out says that Surfer was unable to go through the swell and literally opens with the narration "What If Surfer was able to go through the swell."
you know i'm not an abhi hater, but this time i think you're flat wrong. /shrug
This is not about being a hater. This is about an irrefutable fact in the comic.
if i had time currently i'd def bz you on the topic with a forum ruling in the balance--if i win it's declared canon, if you do, it's non-canon.
Yes, any time you want to BZ it, I'm ready.
as it stands, ambient has done a great job repping the topic and i'm almost certain if bada or pr were asked to review what has been presented, your side wouldn't hold up. i'll def take you up on the challenge at a later date though if it hasn't been settled by then.
Ambient has done nothing but making a fool of himself. Never pegged you as a cheerleader though.
Originally posted by Ambient
Completely twisting a scene then lying and disregarding about the flow of its story is classic argumentation for you ABHI, fortunately this is nothing new and your opinion is taken with a grain of salt at most.. Nice try Thought!
There is no twisting. I'm literally posting the scans out of the comic as they are.
You are the one who is unable to understand a simple scene and is twisting it around.
You should read the scan I posted, its pretty evident the purpose of the outriders; to transfer information via a direct download to the brain, the replica synthezoid that holds Oclin life essence is probably what your referring that merge with Surfer.
And its job was done by assimilating with the host completely. Hence why when Surfer expelled it from his mind, it was released in the cosmic rift with other souls.
However if you want to continue with your twisted interpretation, there's a flaw. Surfer became the Unilord and with it the soul of Oclin - 111 database as you presumably submise - what once lost is now regained."Let me beat you to the punch", there was never any mention of Unilord Surfer releasing the soul of Oclin in the breach or for that matter releasing all the Unilords power in the breach..
This is as much of a flat out lie as I've ever seen.
Very next page.
"The silver surfer's scheme, scattered the power of the souls in the cosmic swell."
How many times are you going to lie about this?
So either way you look at it, be it mine or your twisted interpretation Unilord Surfer still retained the Outlander 111 database, which was farther supported when the silver streak of light/ silver comet collided/ merge with 616 Surfer - uttering the word 111, which means, YES, Unilord Silver Surfer designate 111.
As I already showed you, Surfer expelled Outrider in SS 115 who was then merged with Unilord. As Surfer released all the souls in the swell, he was released as well.
As already proven by Quasar's words, it was a communication bolt. Open and shut case.
[B]CANON HOWEVER YOU LOOK IT
look at above post he got it back, when he became the Unilord Surfer.Right! Which - 616 Universe.
Was this supposed to make sense? Unilord surfer never entered 616 universe.
We know who the 111 is right? It doesn't get any clearer than that and please don't spout out alternate universe outlander 111, that would be stupid even for your standard, oh wait! This is you 🙄 ..
Im getting on your nerve, ain't I? Relax dude this is just comics, you know fantasy characters, not real.. [/B]
When you get a single proof that it was an alternate Surfer who merged and not a communication bolt, only then are you allowed to speak.
So much bitching and moaning and not a single proof. How pathetic.
Originally posted by Ambient
😂 Is your hate for this character that much that your willing to make a fool of yourself ?? What purpose would there be to send a distress com. signal after the hero save the Universe?? Does not compute..
Ask the writer about it. The story in itself does not makes any sense.
Probably because its too much for his psyche to handle, and the experience is overwhelming. Why would he have twice as much power? I see! That figures, I feel sorry for you dude, being alone and no friends.. 😂 😂 😆
So, personal insults now when you get owned like every year?
Lulz.
Got any proof that it was an alternate Surfer? Because I got proof that it was a communication bolt.
Anyhow a recap:I broke your argument to pieces, your only evidence - thought a twisted interpretation was countered when Surfer became Unilord and regained Oclin soul back therefore still is designate 111.
The Unilord Silver Surfer is likely the only one to come out of the breach which was farther supported when 616 Surfer uttered 111 (Unilord Surfer) after the collision and mergence.
Can't say you've countered any of mine.
You broke only your feeble argument to pieces. You have no proof for your insubstantial claims of "silver comet" being silver surfer, you continuously lied about everything and now you resort to personal jabs.
I've broken another Surfer fanboy. Trifecta of surfer fanboys: Bran, Darthgoober and now Ambient.
Mission successful.
👆
Billy wins. Surfer's blasts won't do much. Unless someone can post scenes where Surfer significantly hurts PEERS with his blasts (Thor, other Heralds of Galactus, Sentry, Hyperion, Gladiator, etc).
So Billy will simply ko him.
But make no mistake, Surfer has the strength to hurt Billy in fisticuffs. He can hold his own for a moment before going down.
