Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh surely you're not saying that Supes is a killer. As I pointed out, Surfer's prob killed a fair amount more characters than Supes but it doesn't mean he approaches every forum fight with killer intent
Whether he is a killer or not is irrelevant. The fact is that Superman has erased people from existence and it's viable for him.
More than Surfer using weakness exploitation in fact.
There's no proof he copied Glad's physiology. The guy was an energy drainer, not a form copier.
Absence of proof is not proof of absence. First you need to prove he didn't have Gladiator's weakness which are a part of his power.
Have fun with that.
If the HV had "shorted out" Despereo it could absolutely be said that he had a weakness against it.
His power feedback didn't short out Dr Spectrum. It's not weakness exploitation no matter how much you twist it.
It absolutely matters what the art shows...
No, it doesn't. You're welcome.
He was absolutely being drained though, that's why Hulk said Surfer was killing him.
Yes, and then he failed. Fat chance of that killing Hulk.
You're changing the subject now. You said he had to instantly know and exploit a weakness at the outset to qualify not using the tactic for PIS.
He has to use weakness exploitation at all to call that PIS.
Surfer in his entire history has never used weakness exploitation. There you go.
And Surfer's used weakness exploitation more than once. You're just not the type who can ever concede a point when you're discussing Surfer.
No, he hasn't. You're welcome to post a single instance of such a feat.
A weakness to energy manipulation is absolutely a thing for some characters, and if Surfer's using it against an opponent it's absolutely weakness exploitation. Now you're just acting obtuse...
No, it's not a weakness. Characters aren't weak to punches if someone punches them out.
A weakness is a pre defined attack which used by anyone will weaken the character. If someone used wood to beat Alan Scott, that's weakness exploitation. If Mordru ripped his starheart out, that's not weakness exploitation.
You're acting as an idiot. Not that anybody is surprised.
Originally posted by cdtm
Lol, maybe.Cap's chances depend on whether Norrin can handle magic lightning. In terms of blunt force resistance, he's shrugged off various attack from upper/upper mid tier opponents above what, say, Thor has ever done.
Specifically, Beta Ray Bill and Hulk.
A two shot combo from Bill KTFO his ass like whoa.
Originally posted by darthgoober
You know how tangents can spiral out of control lol. You're right though, I've already spent way more time on the matter than I'd originally intended so I'll let it go.
Oh and Surfer can't beat Superman for a majority even if "weakness exploitation" is allowed. Without it, I give him 2-3/10 and I'm being quite generous.
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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Remember, when he IMPd that White Martian...an important note must be made:Prior to it, they were running LAPS around the world. Wally speeds up, and LAPS the WM. Just imagine how insanely fast that was....the two guys were already running so quickly, the world was stood still. And Wally then went even faster still.
Surtur, the argument being made is that even if someone has never done something, we need to give them the benefit of the doubt. Flash is being used as an example.
Problem is, he has actually done it before. So apples to oranges.
Yeah and I believe Wally even notes that he could hit the martian thousands of times if he wanted to, but that it just would take one hit to KO him.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, your fanfiction of Surfer is quite amusing.Oh and Surfer can't beat Superman for a majority even if "weakness exploitation" is allowed. Without it, I give him 2-3/10 and I'm being quite generous.
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Surfer can't beat Superman even with weakness exploitation allowed? Okay you know what...yeah okay, I'm content with just letting you believe that.
Can I ask you to please stop liking Superman, you're killing him.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Whether he is a killer or not is irrelevant. The fact is that Superman has erased people from existence and it's viable for him.More than Surfer using weakness exploitation in fact.
Absence of proof is not proof of absence. First you need to prove he didn't have Gladiator's weakness which are a part of his power.
Have fun with that.
His power feedback didn't short out Dr Spectrum. It's not weakness exploitation no matter how much you twist it.
No, it doesn't. You're welcome.
Yes, and then he failed. Fat chance of that killing Hulk.
He has to use weakness exploitation at all to call that PIS.
Surfer in his entire history has never used weakness exploitation. There you go.
No, he hasn't. You're welcome to post a single instance of such a feat.
No, it's not a weakness. Characters aren't weak to punches if someone punches them out.
A weakness is a pre defined attack which used by anyone will weaken the character. If someone used wood to beat Alan Scott, that's weakness exploitation. If Mordru ripped his starheart out, that's not weakness exploitation.
You're acting as an idiot. Not that anybody is surprised.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, your fanfiction of Surfer is quite amusing.Oh and Surfer can't beat Superman for a majority even if "weakness exploitation" is allowed. Without it, I give him 2-3/10 and I'm being quite generous.
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Originally posted by darthgoober
As was already covered, we've already derailed the thread enough on this tangent. It's not as if anything you're clinging to was ever in doubt anyway, your bias against Surfer has been a running joke on every forum you post on for years now. I mean other than the "energy draining isn't weakness exploitation" thing you're now trying to push... pretty sure that's new.
That's quite some Concession.
Yeah, punching beings is weakness exploitation too. That's new too.
Keep telling yourself that. There's only 2 things that the majority of posters on KMC, Herochat, and CBR agree upon... 1. Comics are cool. 2. Surfer beats Superman lol
Just like I wrecked you here.
If only the comic writers agreed with fanboys like you. Instead we have almost every writer saying that Superman would beat Surfer. Heck Dan Jurgens said Superman would beat him 99 times out of 100.
Keep fighting marvel internet warrior.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
That's quite some Concession.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, punching beings is weakness exploitation too. That's new too.
Yeah and I've wrecked every Surfer fanboy I've met on all of those boards.Just like I wrecked you here.
If only the comic writers agreed with fanboys like you. Instead we have almost every writer saying that Superman would beat Surfer. Heck Dan Jurgens said Superman would beat him 99 times out of 100.
Keep fighting marvel internet warrior.
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Isn't Jurgens the one who flip flops his opinion during interviews depending on the audience? Or was it someone else who said that Supes was a million times stronger than Thor then turned around and said that he didn't mean it?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer has never shrugged off attacks from Bill or Hulk.A two shot combo from Bill KTFO his ass like whoa.
Godhunter, when Bill was hunting Galactus, he most certainly shrugged off two hits. Knocked him off his board and into Scuttlebutt, but otherwise lefr him unphased.
And then he proceeded to beat Bill down.