Originally posted by JayDaDon
Surfer has stood up against opponents that far outpace Billy too. Listing specific feats and how they can be used to beat the opponent in question is much more effective imo
He has beaten J'onn, Kyle, Wally, Diana and Guy Gardner together. He has Superman level strength and that's enough to beat Surfer on its own.
Tbh, I don't think Surfer, on average, can hurt his peers much with his blasts. What feats against his peers does he have that shows him able to hurt them significantly via blasts?
Even if Billy was Firelord level then I don't see Surfer hurting Firelord with his blasts.
Surfer's blasts are great against fodder but not so much against his peers or above.
Originally posted by tkitna
Billy doesn't win even one. That's all anybody needs to know.
Originally posted by zopzop
This. Billy has NO chance. He's Terrax or Firelord level not Surfer's level.
But do enlighten me, how does Surfer win a majority?
Originally posted by carver9
You don't think Surfer could "beat" Superman? Hanging with someone is one thing, beating someone is another.Norrin doesn't have to go h2h and he doesn't need weakness exploitation either. Surfer is just more powerful.
Norrin is faster
Norrin has better h2h fts
Norrin is far more durable
Norrin is more versatile
More powerful
And like Sin always states and bring up, Norrin has far better fts. Isn't this what you always ask for Sin? Captain Marvel fts doesn't compare to what Surfer has done. Also, when did you start accepting lip service. We along with others have debated pages with you over lip service. With that said, it doesn't apply here.
What a laughable, shitty post.
Billy is far faster. He can actually race Flash and Flash even wondered if he was connected to speed force.
He is far stronger and has far better h2h feats.
Surfer is at best equal to Billy in durability. Marvels are the original Juggernauts and are ridiculously tough to put down. Just look at what Black Adam did in WWIII.
Surfer gets 5/10 as he has more feats and if he uses his versatility but if he goes close combat, he would get his head punched in.
And no, Surfer can't beat Superman for a majority even if we include weakness exploitation.