Captain Marvel (Billy) vs. Silver Surfer

Originally posted by h1a8
Tbh, I don't think Surfer, on average, can hurt his peers much with his blasts. What feats against his peers does he have that shows him able to hurt them significantly via blasts?

Even if Billy was Firelord level then I don't see Surfer hurting Firelord with his blasts.

Surfer's blasts are great against fodder but not so much against his peers or above.

What would someone have to show you for you to believe that Surfer blast can hurt high tier characters?

If we show you his blast hurting Hulk you're going to say Hulk was operating at low level of power.

If we show you his blasts hurting Thor you're going to say Thor was operating under a million tons.

Do you not see how pointless it is debating against you?

Originally posted by abhilegend

But do enlighten me, how does Surfer win a majority?

The same way he would beat Superman, by being way more versatile and more powerful. Its not hard.

Originally posted by tkitna
The same way he would beat Superman, by being way more versatile and more powerful. Its not hard.

Pretty much.

Originally posted by tkitna
The same way he would beat Superman, by being way more versatile and more powerful. Its not hard.

Without weakness exploit he aint beating clark tho so there's that

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Without weakness exploit he aint beating clark tho so there's that

H2H is the only way he's not beating Clark. That goes for Billy too.

Originally posted by tkitna
The same way he would beat Superman, by being way more versatile and more powerful. Its not hard.

Originally posted by tkitna
H2H is the only way he's not beating Clark. That goes for Billy too.

He is not beating Superman anyway. His energy blasts are worth shit against actual characters. Thor has no sold it. Hulk has waded through it on multiple occasions. Heck, even Thing took several attacks from him just recently.

But do tell me, which versatile power does he use to beat Cap? Does he drain his magic? Matter manipulation which Cap will instantly reverse due to his magical body? Anything else?

Originally posted by carver9
What would someone have to show you for you to believe that Surfer blast can hurt high tier characters?

If we show you his blast hurting Hulk you're going to say Hulk was operating at low level of power.

If we show you his blasts hurting Thor you're going to say Thor was operating under a million tons.

Do you not see how pointless it is debating against you?

I assume characters are always operating under average levels in a comic unless there is strong evidence against it.

So if you show Surfer significantly hurting top tier characters with his blasts then i'll accept it.

P.S. I don't consider Hulk with top tier durability. It's his HF that makes him equal in the damage taking department as other top tiers. In other words, Hulk is easier to damage than high heralds but has a better HF than high heralds. This equals him out to them. Thor is bordering on top tier durability. So he's not a great example. But I'll accept it if Surfer was shown to hurt him considerably with a single blast.

His energy blasts seem to do just fine.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Silver-Surfer-1987/Issue-1?id=11559#18
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Silver-Surfer-1987/Issue-1?id=11559#19

Those blasts that KO'd an Elder Of The Universe would take down Billy, but if I'm bored i'll post some more stuff.

Originally posted by tkitna
H2H is the only way he's not beating Clark. That goes for Billy too.

How many times have you seen Norrin hurt a peer with his blasts? In his career his blasts has basically been fodder when he's facing a peer or higher. His blasts are GOD when facing beings or things significantly below him though. I don't think Norrin would do much with his blasts before he is KTFO. So his only chance to win went down the drain.

Originally posted by tkitna
His energy blasts seem to do just fine.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Silver-Surfer-1987/Issue-1?id=11559#18
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Silver-Surfer-1987/Issue-1?id=11559#19

Those blasts that KO'd an Elder Of The Universe would take down Billy, but if I'm bored i'll post some more stuff.

What? That's a weak ass feat. Champion without the PG has a shitty record in the durability department. Hurting him with blasts isn't impressive. Surfer doing that to Thor, IMO, is far more impressive. Give me some feats against mainstream characters (any herald of Galactus, Thor, Gladiator, Sentry, Blue Marvel, Hyperion, etc.)

What comic is that from anyway? I surprised I never seen that showing.

Originally posted by tkitna
His energy blasts seem to do just fine.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Silver-Surfer-1987/Issue-1?id=11559#18
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Silver-Surfer-1987/Issue-1?id=11559#19

Those blasts that KO'd an Elder Of The Universe would take down Billy, but if I'm bored i'll post some more stuff.

You would be better suited to show him knocking out Ben.

I'm still waiting on how he wins by superior versatility though.

Here's Thor falling before it.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Silver-Surfer-1968/Issue-4?id=44914#44

Regardless of cosmic blasts, Surfer could just probably gaze at him and have him stop fighting altogether or do whatever.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Silver-Surfer-1968/Issue-5?id=44915#14

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Silver-Surfer-1968/Issue-12?id=44905#28
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Silver-Surfer-1968/Issue-12?id=44905#29

He can also use the environment around him as weapons.
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Silver-Surfer-1968/Issue-14?id=44907#24

I was going to go on and post a bunch of stuff, but whats the point? Its late and I'm tired and it wont get us anywhere anyways. I don't think Billy can beat him,,,,ever. I'm never going to believe it so lets just agree to disagree

Originally posted by tkitna
Here's Thor falling before it.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Silver-Surfer-1968/Issue-4?id=44914#44

Regardless of cosmic blasts, Surfer could just probably gaze at him and have him stop fighting altogether or do whatever.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Silver-Surfer-1968/Issue-5?id=44915#14

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Silver-Surfer-1968/Issue-12?id=44905#28
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Silver-Surfer-1968/Issue-12?id=44905#29

He can also use the environment around him as weapons.
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Silver-Surfer-1968/Issue-14?id=44907#24

I was going to go on and post a bunch of stuff, but whats the point? Its late and I'm tired and it wont get us anywhere anyways. I don't think Billy can beat him,,,,ever. I'm never going to believe it so lets just agree to disagree

Wisdom of Solomon stops any attempt to mindrape. Not that Surfer tends to do that anyway.

Sure, that's going to work. /sarcasm

It's telling you don't have a single legit example of Surfer beating a Herald with his versatility or power.

You can believe whatever you want marvel zombie. It's not my concern. When you start spouting BS like Billy can't even win one fight against Surfer as a fact, that's the problem.

Its not a problem. CM is a DC character so of course your going to take his side like you always do. I like Captain Marvel, but he's still a second rate Superman when its all said and done. I feel the Surfer has a superior powerset and he can do just about anything so I give him the win just as I would against Superman. I just don't feel like sifting through tons of pages of Surfer feats when everybody knows what he can do already. I'm just not that invested. It is what it is.

I'm not giving win to Cap if you actually read my post. I said it's a toss up if Surfer uses his versatility.

I've read pretty much everything Surfer has ever done. You don't get to play that card.

Surfer has an open powerset. Not that he is actually more powerful. Superman IS more powerful than Surfer in any raw power comparison.

You're confusing versatility with power. Just like every marvel zombie.

You've admitted to reading pretty much everything the Surfer has done and you still want to argue about it. That's the mindboggling part. The only thing Clark and Billy have over the Surfer is pure physical strength. That's it. The Surfer has way more at his disposal. I cant see him losing to either one of those characters if he's bloodlusted or fighting at his best. I'm not saying the Surfer wouldn't work for the wins, but he would win nonetheless.

Pure physical strength works; just ask Hulk.

Originally posted by tkitna
You've admitted to reading pretty much everything the Surfer has done and you still want to argue about it. That's the mindboggling part. The only thing Clark and Billy have over the Surfer is pure physical strength. That's it. The Surfer has way more at his disposal. I cant see him losing to either one of those characters if he's bloodlusted or fighting at his best. I'm not saying the Surfer wouldn't work for the wins, but he would win nonetheless.

I asked you to provide a single instance of Surfer beating a legit Herald with versatility.

And of course I argue regarding this, I don't have CBR mentality regarding Surfer where he is some kind of invincible Herald wrecking machine.

And Superman would beat the shit out of Surfer. FYI

Originally posted by tkitna
His energy blasts seem to do just fine.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Silver-Surfer-1987/Issue-1?id=11559#18
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Silver-Surfer-1987/Issue-1?id=11559#19

Those blasts that KO'd an Elder Of The Universe would take down Billy, but if I'm bored i'll post some more stuff.

Nice 👍

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Nice 👍

Surfer vs Champion who is greatly amped.

Surfer flat out stated that Champion now rivals him in power.

Drax vs Champion.

Drax was just a peer to Thor and Merged Hulk and flat out inferior to Savage Hulk.