Originally posted by Beniboybling
And yet without Kenobi's presence, Maul was able to use his hatred of him to survive bisection. mmmMost of you guys have never seen me, let alone been in the same room, and yet bust a hernia over me nonetheless, your logic is shit. 🙂
It's a comparative question though. For all you know, if they saw you in realize life they'd grow fat, old and orange with anger. 🙂
Originally posted by cs_zoltanSo it had simmered by the point of TCW? Lmao.
Because his hatred was fresh.
Shitty comparison. First of all, I'm not mad. But let's presume you triggered me, if I stay here and keep debating you, I'd be salty all the way through. But if I close my browser and do something else, my salt is gone. Shitty logic indeed 🙂Wasn't referring to you specifically. 🙂
I'm starting to think you didn't watch TCW. 😕
When Savage finds Maul he's in a rage induced frenzy.
Anyway:
Star Wars Celebration Clone Wars Season Five PremiereSam Witwer : ''If you look closely at his legs, his spider legs, pieces of it floating off from the surface of his legs... That is because...''
Dave Filoni : ''The Force is what holding his body together...''
''The Sith are consumed with never wanting to die. It's a completely physical thing to them. There is no afterlife for them. Everything exists in the now. They have to stay alive. They fear death more than anyone. That's what makes them so twisted and evil. So Vader holds on to life at the edge of the lava flow, because he is such a condemned for Obi-Wan, such an anger for whose happens in his life. And that same type of focus, hatred what sustains Maul.''
You may have forgotten me, but I will never forget you. You cannot imagine the depths I would go to to stay alive. Fuelled by my singular hatred for you.In other words Maul's hatred for Kenobi sustained him for a decade.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
It proves he doesn't need Kenobi's presence to call on his rage to a maximum effect. Or rather that he is less powerful when Kenobi is not around.
It proves nothing of the sort. Being enough to fuel him =/= maximum rage.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
And he'd probably have trouble ragdolling anyone in that situation yeah.
That was just the culmination of the fight, he had ample opportunity to ragdoll.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Wow, 1 hand. That's something.Hmm, let's see. How about stalemating and backhanding Anakin's TK. Who while was weakened his standard self was still vastly more powerful than S5 Anakin. TCW movie Anakin was force pushing an AT-TE with enough force that it had an effect of a bomb going off. Kenobi was also capable of breaking out of Dooku's choke, moved faster than him on more than 1 occasion. He pulverized Durge. Tanked close proximity explosions several times pre-prime, shrugged of beatings from Durge and Grievous, fought equally with Legends Ventress when he was effected by lung melting poision. Fought with shrapnels piercing his upper torso. Shrugged off a 50-60m Krayt dragon literally rolling over him. He bent Grievous' arm and chestplate which is made of the most durable metal in SW. Has superior senses than RotS Anakin (sense is also part of the Force, fuggs). Could conceal himself from Dooku in DD. Made Dooku work for using Drain Knowledge on him vastly pre-prime and weakened.
That should do it.
1 hand while being shot at by pirates and running while leaning on Savage. I am not convinced it was performed with maximum effort, but debates about semantics never really go anywhere.
I won't address the Anakin feat as mired in circumstance as it is, because I simply don't have the evidence on me to make a stance (it's something I would like to address in the far future tho), and I already mentioned I found pulverizing Durge impressive.For some of the other feats you listed tho:
* Tanking explosions pre-prime is still inferior to surviving being bisected and the explosion feat Beni already listed. While it's a good showing for durability, I was talking about offensive force showings that would prove Kenobi could beat Maul in a force only confrontation.
*Surviving beatings from those two beings, while comparable to some of Maul's durability feats, once again does not suggest to me that Kenobi could beat Maul in a force bout. If we want to compare durability between Kenobi and Maul, that's a contest I can't see Kenobi winning either.
* That showing with Ventress is impressive, but that was a pre-prime Ventress (it was the first time they encountered her in the Clone Wars) and last I checked, Kenobi was ragdolled by her, so I hardly would call that "fighting equally".
I think there may have been a misunderstanding, when you said Kenobi>Maul in the force, I thought you meant that Kenobi would beat Maul in a force only contest, but the feats you listed like concealment and sense, while indicative of good force ability, don't imply force combat superiority. If I have time later, I'll try to dig up some Maul feats to side-by-side compare.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
>Kyp just force pushed a jedi in front of his companions
>Was caught offguard by KenthTwo can play this game 🙂
Difference is, Kyp wasn't combat ready, and wasn't paying attention to Kenth, Kenobi was factually combat ready and running up for a fight, and was still chocked out like a *****.
Kenobi Force isn't on Maul's level in the Force; accept and move on. 👆
Originally posted by Beniboybling
When he should have died, yeah, max rage!11!
Repeating yourself for eternity won't make it true. There's just no reason for Maul's anger to stay constant.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
It was a two on one so not necessarily.
And one of them died like half way through which leaves it at 1on1. My point stands.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Difference is, Kyp wasn't combat ready, and wasn't paying attention to Kenth, Kenobi was factually combat ready and running up for a fight, ans was still chocked out like a *****.Kenobi Force isn't on Maul's level in the Force; accept and move on. 👆
>Assaulting a fellow Jedi =/= not combat ready
>Running toward your opponent, lightsaber to your side in a not combat stance, monologuing about how you'd trade yourself for a hostage = combat ready
Seems legit 🙂
Originally posted by cs_zoltanExcept that it did for 10 ****ing years gosh. And you still haven't explained how being angry enough to keep yourself from dying does not equate to an intense state of rage. Maul obviously being better at controlling and channeling his emotions when not mentally insane.
Repeating yourself for eternity won't make it true. There's just no reason for Maul's anger to stay constant.
And one of them died like half way through which leaves it at 1on1. My point stands.At which point he got in close-quarters, preventing Maul from ragdolling if he was even so inclined.