Where is it noted that Ajunta Pall is >> Karness Murr?

Quote?

It isn't outright stated, but rather it is implied, given that no Sith would willingly serve an equal or an inferior:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/4750704-ajunta+pall+became+the+ruler.png

Issue is, that was a temporary arrangement that came about when all involved parties were pre-prime. Karness Muur and Sorzus Syn in particular hadn't even been exposed Sith Sorcery or Alchemy--their specialities--at that point. If we're following the logic that "they're inferior because they willingly served", it ought to be telling that they all ended up turning on each other at one point or another.

They certainly had. Levithans were created during the Hundred year darkness and used during the Battle of Corbis. With that said, your point is correct. These guys weren’t in their prime yet and with the infusion of “true” Sith knowledge their powers certainly increased. Truthfully, I was never under the impression that Ajunta Pall was all that powerful based on what Kreia said in KotOR 2.

Based on what did all other Sith increase their powers, but Pall did not?

I don't know. Luckily none of us said that. 🙂

I understood your post wrong. I thought you were only referring to Muur and Syn.

They certainly had. Levithans were created during the Hundred year darkness and used during the Battle of Corbis.

Were they, now? Ah, well, I'll take your word for it.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Issue is, that was a temporary arrangement that came about when all involved parties were pre-prime. Karness Muur and Sorzus Syn in particular hadn't even been exposed Sith Sorcery or Alchemy--their specialities--at that point. If we're following the logic that "they're inferior because they willingly served", it ought to be telling that they all ended up turning on each other at one point or another.

IIRC, the entire point of the Hundred Year Darkness was specifically because they were all delving into Alchemy and Sorcery :hmm

Been a while since I read sources espousing on them though

He was obviously supreme at the time of arriving on Korriban. Whether that remained the case later is unknown. I doubt there was a significant difference, though, given that even Pall couldn't rise above the Sith infighting and died in said infighting.

Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
IIRC, the entire point of the Hundred Year Darkness was specifically because they were all delving into Alchemy and Sorcery :hmm

Emphasis: "Sith."

Why assume more about a scenario than the information given?

He was superior at their arrival, why assume the status quo changed without narrative noting it? :hmm

You guys seem to be delving into powerscaling more than I remember, so "feats" isn't exactly the answer to that question *shrugs*

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Emphasis: "Sith."

Missed that *shrugs*

Like I said before though, I don't remember enough about the Hundred Year Darkness atm to really comment on if Leviathan were a thing during it

Pretty sure they were mentioned to be part of the battle on Corbos though, but faulty memory

Leviathans were used on Corbos, IIRC. I mean, the Exiles were exiled for delving into Alchemy, as you said.

Ajuntu looks badass in that one popular background picture of all of them.

Therefore Ajunta >>>>>>>>> Murr

Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
He was superior at their arrival, why assume the status quo changed without narrative noting it?

Well like Nova mentioned Pall apparently died during the infighting and couldn't regain control of them.

That doesn't suggest he was weaker

That suggests the gap wasn't major and everything else in between

Again, why should I pretend the status quo actually changed?

Pretend?

I mean, you're right in that it doesn't suggest either or but going by how Pall is viewed by other characters in the mythos and how Muur was it seems to indicate Muur surpassed him.

Yep

There's barely any material on Pall in his respect thread as is, and nothing within it actually paints Muur as having surpassed Pall

Nor does Muur have a direct, even indirect, comparison to Pall outside where he's become Pall's shadow hand

You're free to keep your opinion, but its a stretch of the imagination to claim its concrete

I'll stick with the stated and unambiguous until that's actually contradicted *shrugs*

I'm referring to how they compare in regards to how other characters in the mythos view them and what third person sources have said about them. Not that they were compared to each other specifically.

The concrete source only takes into account their first arrival and doesn't have any bearing on any disparity decades later. What does is that Pall wasn't able to retain control over any of them.

I mean, I honestly don't have a source in this race and until recently was touting Pall > Muur but the evidence presented doesn't suggest that's the case honestly. At the very least you'd admit it's ambiguous.