Where is it noted that Ajunta Pall is >> Karness Murr?

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
At the very least you'd admit it's ambiguous.

Not really

You're making all the assumptions about how the first group of Sith tore themselves apart where nothing you're assuming needs to occur for Pall to retain his minor superiority

its straight forward he was Dark Lord of the Sith and they his Shadow Hand

Its ambiguous how his reign ended, who or what it took to end it, and just how large a gap in power existed between the Exiles in the first place

I can go on and on really

I'll take the 1 known variable over assuming anything about the others when making a decision *shrugs*

We know that that his reign ended in civil war which means his Shadow Hands became his former Shadow Hands and his current rivals. I guess I just don't assume a variable remained the same after the fact.

You're assuming it ended by 1v1 combat

You're assuming 1v1 combat can't go either way when a gap is small enough

You're assuming there was any combat at all

You're assuming he didn't go the way of Tulak Hord or Kallig a la assassination

I can go on *shrugs*

I'm not assuming any of that as I haven't postulate any of the former Shadow Hands rose above him.

I'm just not retaining the stance that he's > then all of them simply because a quote prior to their growth set them below.

Please don't make false assumptions friend.

Wait

Who was arguing he was superior to them all combined at any point in time?

I'm now genuinely confused

No one.

When I say "stance that he's > then all of them" I'm referring to his superiority to each of them individually.

Ah

That's better then

In that case

You're again assuming too much about their growth without a retracting statement regarding how they compared to Pall after it occurred

Barring being told explicitly one of the Exiles rose above him, why should I assume the former status quo changed with growth?

Your stance lacks a foundation, its born of assumption *shrugs*

I don't discount it being possible, as information is limited, but the information we possess fails to support it

The only reason to assume he was the strongest among them in the first place is because they willingly gave him the leadership role. However, after they turned on each other and split into rival factions, that reason ceased to exist. There's no reason to assume that he was necessarily stronger or weaker than the others by the end, based on that alone. Rather, to take either side would be "assuming too much."

The reason I tend to favor Karness Muur over Ajutna Pall--exposure aside--is simply because he and his accomplishments far better withstood the test of time. The likelihood is, though, that those two and the others were relative peers at their peaks.

Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
Ah

That's better then

In that case

You're again assuming too much about their growth without a retracting statement regarding how they compared to Pall after it occurred

Barring being told explicitly one of the Exiles rose above him, why should I assume the former status quo changed with growth?

Your stance lacks a foundation, its born of assumption *shrugs*

I don't discount it being possible, as information is limited, but the information we possess fails to support it

My stance isn't that any of them were above him. Just that Pall wasn't above them either as there's nothing to prove he retained superiority over them during the time of the civil war. I'm not going to hold the same position on any perceived disparity between them without confirmation during the time period we're discussing. A quote decades beforehand just doesn't cut it.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
The only reason to assume he was the strongest among them in the first place is because they willingly gave him the leadership role. However, after they turned on each other and split into rival factions, that reason ceased to exist. There's no reason to assume that he was necessarily stronger or weaker than the others by the end, based on that alone. Rather, to take either side would be "assuming too much."

The reason I tend to favor Karness Muur over Ajutna Pall--exposure aside--is simply because he and his accomplishments far better withstood the test of time. The likelihood is, though, that those two and the others were relative peers at their peaks.

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Originally posted by NewGuy01
The only reason to assume he was the strongest among them in the first place is because they willingly gave him the leadership role.

The whole "dark lord of the sith" thing is kind of a big deal, or so I've been led to believe *shrugs*

However, after they turned on each other and split into rival factions, that reason ceased to exist. There's no reason to assume that he was necessarily stronger or weaker than the others by the end, based on that alone. Rather, to take either side would be "assuming too much."

That itself is a fair stance

The reason I tend to favor Karness Muur over Ajutna Pall--exposure aside--is simply because he and his accomplishments far better withstood the test of time. The likelihood is, though, that those two and the others were relative peers at their peaks.

Accomplishment and impact on history aren't what I'd consider indicators of power *shrugs*

You can be an all powerful idiot, do nothing notable, and still retain your place as the best

Regardless, I wouldn't have suggested any major gap between any of the exiles regardless *shrugs*