Nyriss vs Plagueis vs Exal Kressh vs Bane vs Dooku vs Thanaton vs Nox (FL comparison)

Started by MythLord3 pages
Originally posted by Tondemonai
Based of feats Dooku is the weakest here, I or Plagueis, doesn't matter they both have shit showings

Not really. Tyranus' feats of burning through the armour of Clones and killing them -- said armor being strong enough to save troops from a ships laser cannons and designed to reduce electrical shock -- is superior to pretty much most of what Nox did and anything Kressh did.

Then there's making Opress his b!tch with lightning(y'know, the dude who shrugs off blaster fire like it's nothing) and killing Asajj/potentially killing Quinlan while grievously wounded, which is superior to anything even Nyriss has done(if we take into account everything she did was on an insanely potent nexus and could only kill Force sensitives with a charged up storm).

Originally posted by Tondemonai
Couldn't even kill Anakin in AotC even though he barely had any defenses and comparably fodder to him

And Exal Kressh couldn't kill a non-Force sensitive with it and only burned Teneb Kel's hands... Your point? It was hardly Tyranus' max, lightning-wise, and it's more a good feat for Anakin than anything else.

Originally posted by MythLord
They didn't use the same positioning, you moron. That's the point. Also, their hilts weren't nearly as big a target as Teneb's was.

And that hardly even demonstrates power to just aim lightning at a hilt, it just demonstrates precision, and I honestly doubt Kressh is more precise or controlled than Tyranus or Sidious.

And Mace kept angling his hilt downwards as he drove the lightning back at Sidious, thus putting it in a position where his hilt couldn't be hit.

They did. There's no difference between those examples and how Teneb was holding his saber. In all cases the hilt is easily accessible by the lightning. That they weren't hit simply means that they're lightsaber defense was better able to contain the lightning and wasn't overpowered. Since we know lightning more powerful than the opponents defense can overwhelm the blade and get through as in the cases of Malgus's use of it against Jedi, that this was the case with Kressh vs Teneb is the most likely, nay, only, explanation in this case.

Precision has nothing to do with it.

That's simply a blatant lie, unfortunately. I'm not angry at you though, I'm just kind of disappointed.

Originally posted by MythLord
Didn't concede to anything. She actually did burn Tenebs hands. Even if he was shielding himself, Savage, Sora, Anakin and Asajj would all also be shielding themselves and they got fried by Tyranus on a far more convincing level.

Well, not really actually. His armor was burned off and his skin was actually damaged, unlike theirs. So the effect was actually greater on him. And like I said, the attack was mostly hitting the lightsaber blades and the hilt, with only his hands and arms hit. So that's a ridiculously stupid comparison.

But yes, you did concede since you didn't rebut my points and just pissed and moaned. Obviously, given that her lightning bored through his allies chest her lightning is capable of incinerating flesh completely. That it didn't do so to Thanaton is clearly because the majority of the damage was blocked.

Originally posted by MythLord
LMAO. 😆 Of course I'm not using a "freaking vision" for Dooku, I'm using his feat from Dark Disciple.

Well it's a shit feat anyway so it doesn't matter.

Originally posted by MythLord
It caused a massive explosion, then we cut away from the ceiling. It was certainly harmed in one way or another. Not that it's even relevant, since two Force Shields reflecting it would've deafened the lightning's effect.

To quote you: "You could at least look at something before you speculate".

Lmao, yeah "massive". It blew a few chunks off. Great. Act 1 Nox was shattering blocks of rock with lightning. So good for Dooku. Act II Nox shatters a huge statue. Not so good for Dooku. 👇

And naw, you're just assuming with the force shields. No indication it was weakened.

Originally posted by MythLord
Not really. Tyranus' feats of burning through the armour of Clones and killing them

He didn't burn through them.

I'll enjoy tearing that down, but at another time. I'm busy, currently.

Tearing is going to happen, but up, not down. 🙂

Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane, he's the only one here capable of lightning powerful enough to instantly incinerate opponents to ash. Nox would be next and could be capable of incinerating opponents based on power scaling. But they haven't done that yet.

That Plagueis feat sucks btw.

So Bane's rule of two was a failure and 1000 years later, his descendants are waeker than him?

Despite several sources saying precisely the opposite?

WTF?

Did Bane ash force sensitives or non force sensitives? 'Cause Nyriss being capable to ash Surik and Scourge at the same time would be far better than someone turning regular humans into ash.

Plagueis just isn't that great at lightning.

Shit happens.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Did Bane ash force sensitives or non force sensitives? 'Cause Nyriss being capable to ash Surik and Scourge at the same time would be far better than someone turning regular humans into ash.

It was non force sensitives. But Nyriss could only do that after charging up her attack, while Bane can incinerate on the fly. Nyriss' regular lightning merely charred her guards. Which is still far better than Dooku's. 🙂

Plagueis.

Originally posted by Nephthys
They did. There's no difference between those examples and how Teneb was holding his saber. In all cases the hilt is easily accessible by the lightning. That they weren't hit simply means that they're lightsaber defense was better able to contain the lightning and wasn't overpowered. Since we know lightning more powerful than the opponents defense can overwhelm the blade and get through as in the cases of Malgus's use of it against Jedi, that this was the case with Kressh vs Teneb is the most likely, nay, only, explanation in this case.

Precision has nothing to do with it.

Yes, there is a difference:

Anakin meets the lightning with the plasma of his lightsaber, deflecting it and changing the angle to better counter it. Compare this to the idiot that is Teneb Kel:

The lightning's primary target is the hilt itself if you follow its stream and he's holding it out at it's most vulnerable, and not shifting directions.
Mace does something similar to Anakin, angling his lightsaber so that the blade catches the lightning:

"Lighting blasted the clouds above, and lightning blasted from Palpatine's hands, and Mace didn't have time to comprehend what Palpatine was talking about; he had time only to slip back into Vaapad and angle his blade to catch the forking arcs of pure, dazzling hatred that clawed toward him."

-- The RotS novelisation

As oppose to Teneb, who left his hilt exposed and it was the primary source of the attack. Good precision, but nothing special.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That's simply a blatant lie, unfortunately. I'm not angry at you though, I'm just kind of disappointed.

So Mace wasn't angling his blade downwards, to more effectively counter Palpatine's lightning and throw it back at him? I'm sorry... did you see the movie? Or read the novel?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well, not really actually. His armor was burned off and his skin was actually damaged, unlike theirs. So the effect was actually greater on him. And like I said, the attack was mostly hitting the lightsaber blades and the hilt, with only his hands and arms hit. So that's a ridiculously stupid comparison.

Armor? He doesn't have armor on his hands. I mean, gloves yeah, but they hardly add onto durability. Meanwhile, Dooku is making someone who no-sells blaster fire his b!tch with casual bursts of Force Lightning, which is easily more impressive.

Originally posted by Nephthys
But yes, you did concede since you didn't rebut my points and just pissed and moaned. Obviously, given that her lightning bored through his allies chest her lightning is capable of incinerating flesh completely. That it didn't do so to Thanaton is clearly because the majority of the damage was blocked.

What point? The fact that he had a Force Shield? Huzzah, so did Asajj, Sora Bulq, Savage Opress, and other beings with far superior endurance to Teneb Kel, they got incapped by Dooku's lightning.

You could argue the lightsaber blades absorbed part of it, but then again, the primary target was Thanaton's hilt/palms, so they'd be suffering most of the assault.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well it's a shit feat anyway so it doesn't matter.

Its hella better than anything Kressh did, or most of what Nox has done. 👆

Originally posted by Nephthys
Lmao, yeah "massive". It blew a few chunks off. Great. Act 1 Nox was shattering blocks of rock with lightning. So good for Dooku. Act II Nox shatters a huge statue. Not so good for Dooku. 👇

And you're acting as if blowing up a ceiling is Dooku's limit, lmao. I don't know how retarded you have to be to believe that.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And naw, you're just assuming with the force shields. No indication it was weakened.

Not really. The lightning's energy would clearly weaken every time a portion of it is absorbed or deflected, since that's how Force defenses work, unless you're willing to argue Teneb wasn't deafening the effects of Exal's lightning on his hands.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He didn't burn through them.

Then how did he kill the people inside? The lightning magically passes through their armor?

Originally posted by Nephthys
LOL.

Dooku's is the weakest.

Grade school level post right here.

Originally posted by MythLord
Yes, there is a difference:

Anakin meets the lightning with the plasma of his lightsaber, deflecting it and changing the angle to better counter it. Compare this to the idiot that is Teneb Kel:

The lightning's primary target is the hilt itself if you follow its stream and he's holding it out at it's most vulnerable, and not shifting directions.
Mace does something similar to Anakin, angling his lightsaber so that the blade catches the lightning:

"Lighting blasted the clouds above, and lightning blasted from Palpatine's hands, and Mace didn't have time to comprehend what Palpatine was talking about; he had time only to slip back into Vaapad and angle his blade to catch the forking arcs of pure, dazzling hatred that clawed toward him."

-- The RotS novelisation

As oppose to Teneb, who left his hilt exposed and it was the primary source of the attack. Good precision, but nothing special.

So Mace wasn't angling his blade downwards, to more effectively counter Palpatine's lightning and throw it back at him? I'm sorry... did you see the movie? Or read the novel?

Armor? He doesn't have armor on his hands. I mean, gloves yeah, but they hardly add onto durability. Meanwhile, Dooku is making someone who no-sells blaster fire his b!tch with casual bursts of Force Lightning, which is easily more impressive.

What point? The fact that he had a Force Shield? Huzzah, so did Asajj, Sora Bulq, Savage Opress, and other beings with far superior endurance to Teneb Kel, they got incapped by Dooku's lightning.

You could argue the lightsaber blades absorbed part of it, but then again, the primary target was Thanaton's hilt/palms, so they'd be suffering most of the assault.

Its hella better than anything Kressh did, or most of what Nox has done. 👆

And you're acting as if blowing up a ceiling is Dooku's limit, lmao. I don't know how retarded you have to be to believe that.

Not really. The lightning's energy would clearly weaken every time a portion of it is absorbed or deflected, since that's how Force defenses work, unless you're willing to argue Teneb wasn't deafening the effects of Exal's lightning on his hands.

Then how did he kill the people inside? The lightning magically passes through their armor?

Another Thread neph got owned in.

Plagueis > Dooku > Nox > Nyriss > Kressh > Bane > Thanaton.

Originally posted by MythLord
Yes, there is a difference:

Anakin meets the lightning with the plasma of his lightsaber, deflecting it and changing the angle to better counter it. Compare this to the idiot that is Teneb Kel:

The lightning's primary target is the hilt itself if you follow its stream and he's holding it out at it's most vulnerable, and not shifting directions.
Mace does something similar to Anakin, angling his lightsaber so that the blade catches the lightning:

"Lighting blasted the clouds above, and lightning blasted from Palpatine's hands, and Mace didn't have time to comprehend what Palpatine was talking about; he had time only to slip back into Vaapad and angle his blade to catch the forking arcs of pure, dazzling hatred that clawed toward him."

-- The RotS novelisation

As oppose to Teneb, who left his hilt exposed and it was the primary source of the attack. Good precision, but nothing special.

Anakin was only one example. His hilt was still no less exposed than anything else.

Windu angling his blade in that text is just a description of him raising his saber to block it, like in the movie. It doesn't suggest any special angle was used. As we can see in the movie, this is blatantly untrue.

When Sidious attack's Windu, his lightsaber isn't angled towards Sidious. If anything his hilt is closer and a clearly shot than his blade:

In fact, as you can see here, Sidious' lightning is actually curving up around his hilt to strike the blade, almost as if it's being drawn into it. Which it was. Windu's hilt was just as exposed as Teneb's was. Just like that of countless other Jedi's. Like the HoT, Barsen'thor, Tol Braga, Celest Morne's and many others.

Check this out:

Morne's lightaber clearly exposed and not angled to block Krayt's lightning, but the lightning is still only hitting the blade.

Or this example:

Maladi's lightning is actually splitting apart to hit the two sides of his blade instead of the hilt that's right in front of her hand.

The evidence is clear. Kressh's lightning simply overwhelmed Teneb's ability to direct it to the blades and contain it and therefore it destroyed his hilt as if ran rampant. It's the only explanation.

Originally posted by MythLord
So Mace wasn't angling his blade downwards, to more effectively counter Palpatine's lightning and throw it back at him? I'm sorry... did you see the movie? Or read the novel?

I'm looking at the scene right now.

His hands and hilt are completely open to attack.

Originally posted by MythLord
Armor? He doesn't have armor on his hands. I mean, gloves yeah, but they hardly add onto durability. Meanwhile, Dooku is making someone who no-sells blaster fire his b!tch with casual bursts of Force Lightning, which is easily more impressive.

That's the armor Inquisitor's wear. It's light, but still made from synthweave.

And it was Savage's armor that blocked those bolts, which Dooku's lightning bypasses. It's not like Savage's flesh was actually being hit, thus he'd feel no pain.

Originally posted by MythLord
What point? The fact that he had a Force Shield? Huzzah, so did Asajj, Sora Bulq, Savage Opress, and other beings with far superior endurance to Teneb Kel, they got incapped by Dooku's lightning.

You could argue the lightsaber blades absorbed part of it, but then again, the primary target was Thanaton's hilt/palms, so they'd be suffering most of the assault.

They didn't get burned though. So bully for Dooku. And that's a shit comparison. As I said, not only was Teneb's shields and natural durability at work but he was also blocking the attack with his lightsaber. And as you said, only Tenebs hands and hilt were hit by the lightning, so he obviously wouldn't suffer any greater damage than his hands getting burned, and wouldn't be incapacitated like those you mentioned.

No, you can see the lightning being absorbed by the blades. And his hands were burned anyway, causing him to quickly drop it and then the hilt was disintegrated.

Originally posted by MythLord
Its hella better than anything Kressh did, or most of what Nox has done. 👆

It isn't. Nyriss turned armored guards into charred and smoking flesh, which is a hell of a lot more devastating than what Dooku did. And her breaking through Meetra's defense's (considering Meetra's defenses held against Traya's attacks that shat one near 20 Sith at once, who are >>>>> non force sensitive clones) and being able to incinerate her and Scourge is way more impressive than killing some shitty clones.

Originally posted by MythLord
And you're acting as if blowing up a ceiling is Dooku's limit, lmao. I don't know how retarded you have to be to believe that.

It's a clear display of what his lightning is capable of, in a case where he'd logically be going all out. And it's still inferior to what Act 1 Nox is capable of.

Originally posted by MythLord
Not really. The lightning's energy would clearly weaken every time a portion of it is absorbed or deflected, since that's how Force defenses work, unless you're willing to argue Teneb wasn't deafening the effects of Exal's lightning on his hands.

So did Nyriss' lightning also weaken when Revan absorbed it like Yoda did? Because if so it's even further above Dooku's lightning than it was before, lmao.

And the difference with Teneb is that he's actually blocking the attack, while Yoda absorbed it and returned it to him in his entirety. If he didn't, the excess energy would have harmed him. And Dooku merely deflected the attack, he didn't block it.

Originally posted by MythLord
Then how did he kill the people inside? The lightning magically passes through their armor?

That's... kind of how electricity works? It passes through a conductive surface. I'm pretty sure they teach that in high school.

BTW, its just been debunked that Dooku's lightning caused Yoda trouble. So that's pretty funny too. 👆