Obi-Wan Kenobi vs General Grievous

I found some new quotes concerning Obi-Wan and Grievous.

Jedi and cyborg fought briefly along a catwalk suspended over the lower levels of the hangar. By limiting Grievous's movement to the catwalk, Obi-Wan was able to neutralise the General's usually more ranging fighting style. Kenobi kept the fight close to the cyborg and, used to Grievous' moves now after so may encounters, it wasn't long before a clawed mechanical hand and the lightsaber it had once held clattered down onto the deck. Grievous was incensed. He launched a blistering attack, but his focus was gone.

Obi-Wan Kenobi and General Grievous often fought to a stalemate when they clashed, so equally matched were they as warriors. Eventually tough, Kenobi was to learn how to best the Cyborg.

Both quotes are from Fact File 39 and 69

A nice mess of contradictions you have there.

I assume these are from the new Fact File? If so, good wank for Grievous.

He needs it.

The first one is consistent with Kenobi/Soresu fighting better in close/tight quarters.

Yeah they are from the new fact files. Indeed, it confirms kind of Grievous = Obi-Wan, even in RotS.

I don't see that at all, both confirm Kenobi as the superior fighter.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
I don't see that at all, both confirm Kenobi as the superior fighter.

Not in pure skill, he defeated Grievous by preventing him from using his usual fighting style so that's more in line with tactical ability.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Not in pure skill, he defeated Grievous by preventing him from using his usual fighting style so that's more in line with tactical ability.

According to the first quote, which distinctly lacks any mention of their parity in skill beforehand. Which leaves ambiguity of whether or not he would have defeated/stalemated him in an open space. For that, we refer to a list of Kenobi's superior feats - asusming this is Canon only; it's confirmed the new fact files do not deal in Legends - where Kenobi is Grevious' better.

The second quote just states that they clashed before and were equals, but that Kenobi could defeat him in ROTS.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
According to the first quote, which distinctly lacks any mention of their parity in skill beforehand. Which leaves ambiguity of whether or not he would have defeated/stalemated him in an open space. For that, we refer to a list of Kenobi's superior feats - asusming this is Canon only; it's confirmed the new fact files do not deal in Legends - where Kenobi is Grevious' better.

The second quote confirms that prior to their RotS duel both Obi-Wan and Grievous were almost perfect equals so I doubt that Obi-Wan would've suddenly surpassed him noticeably (especially since there is no evidence which points to that and if Kenobi couldn't outgrow Grievous over the entire CW he sure as hell isn't going to do it in a matter of months). Which evidence do you have that Kenobi's Grievous' better in Legends? Not to mention that Legends has to accept the movies (and anythings surrounding it) for continuity.

The second quote just states that they clashed before and were equals, but that Kenobi could defeat him in ROTS.

It says that Kenobi eventually learned to defeat him which points at a specific increase of knowledge, which aligns with the first quote (using the environment to prevent Grievous from using his normal fighting style).

@darthduelist,

1) Yes, It seems could be interpreted as consistent with one another

2) The Fact file is referring to canon content only, which was confirmed by Ant.

3) You misunderstand, Legends Grievous actually has a few things going for him that his canon counterpart does not. For example, the UBER strike team pissant on Hypori (OCW) that involved several council masters noted to be the best in their day, a fairly protracted duel where the cyborg was disadvantaged against Windu and frequently pushing Dooku to his limits in spars, the latter having to keep duelling secrets from him as a failsafe (Labyrinth of Evil) . Canon Grievous has none of these grand achievements, and while Legends content considers the movie and parts of TCW that aren't contradicted, canon content does not consider Legends. Obi Wars achievements supersede Grievous in canon by and his low end showings aren't as embarrassing.

What Canon fact files are these?

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
The Fact file is referring to canon content only, which was confirmed by Ant.

Ant's quote is obviously wrong, because whoever answered it must've misinterpreted the question.

The new, relaunched Fact Files detail the rise of Prince Xizor, the story of Tyvokka and the Star Hyperspace War, the life of Darth Bane as detailed in Jedi vs. Sith, Rule of Two and Dynasty of Evil, the conquest of Exar Kun, etc.

All those comics/novel officially have the Legends banner:

http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5508456-legends+1.jpg

http://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5508457-legends+2.jpg

http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5508458-legends+3.jpg

http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5508459-legends+4.png

http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5508460-legends+5.png

You can argue the Fact Files are composite, and can be referred to both continuities if there's not a contradiction in terms of timeline and events.

Yes Ant is not a Canon source people.

Originally posted by MythLord
Ant's quote is obviously wrong, because whoever answered it must've misinterpreted the question.

The new, relaunched Fact Files detail the rise of Prince Xizor, the story of Tyvokka and the Star Hyperspace War, the life of Darth Bane as detailed in Jedi vs. Sith, Rule of Two and Dynasty of Evil, the conquest of Exar Kun, etc.

All those comics/novel officially have the Legends banner:

http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5508456-legends+1.jpg

http://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5508457-legends+2.jpg

http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5508458-legends+3.jpg

http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5508459-legends+4.png

http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5508460-legends+5.png

You can argue the Fact Files are composite, and can be referred to both continuities if there's not a contradiction in terms of timeline and events.

There's no contradiction here, this simply means the content aggregators saw various stories in Legends and decided to include them in the book. It's just a case of recycling content that was already used - for example; what they're doing with Thrawn now. That does not mean, however, that the book is considering all Legends Content and especially the quotes that come from issue 69, which came after the content split.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
There's no contradiction here, this simply means the content aggregators saw various stories in Legends and decided to include them in the book. It's just a case of recycling content that was already used - for example; what they're doing with Thrawn now. That does not mean, however, that the book is considering all Legends Content and especially the quotes that come from issue 69, which came after the content split.

But if the Fact File is "canon only", then they'd inadvertantly canonize it and go against what LucasArts, now Disney, have done to the continuity.

It causes too many mental fook ups. Just think of the Fact File as composite, or apply the sections about the EU stories to the EU, the canon stories to Canon and be done with it.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
What Canon fact files are these?

39 (ironically the fact file they were working on when the takeover was announced 😛) and 69 (quote 2).

Originally posted by MythLord
But if the Fact File is "canon only", then they'd inadvertantly canonize it and go against what LucasArts, now Disney, have done to the continuity.

It causes too many mental fook ups. Just think of the Fact File as composite, or apply the sections about the EU stories to the EU, the canon stories to Canon and be done with it.

Finally someone who understands it, it's completely retarded to assume that an entire Legends article would refer to canon.

Originally posted by MythLord
The new, relaunched Fact Files detail the rise of Prince Xizor, the story of Tyvokka and the Star Hyperspace War, the life of Darth Bane as detailed in Jedi vs. Sith, Rule of Two and Dynasty of Evil, the conquest of Exar Kun, etc.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Can you be specific on which issues these are from? Because it appears a lot of the Fact File was written before the Canon/Legends split.

I don't remember specifically, but if I was to guess:

Issue 70-something had Xizor in it, issue 54 or 64 had Bane, issue 50 had Tyvokka, issue 37 or so detailed the events of Asajj's and Tyranus' meeting on Rattatak, and there's probably some other stuff that I'm forgetting.