Darth Plagueis vs. Novel Vitiate (no blurb)

Started by ILS3 pages

On the topic of Revan not being hindered by the nexus; him opening up both sides of the Force, logically, means that on a nexus his use of the Light side would be weakened and the Dark empowered. Also, I think I recall Ant pointing out evidence in the novel for the nexus hindering Revan (Revan felt weakened/clouded by the Dark Side's overwhelming presence, or something similar).

That's without mentioning that bringing the Force into perfect balance while using both the Light and Dark shits in the porridge of Star Wars' most fundamental themes and principles but, hey, Revan.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Yeah, it mentions it for a specific attack. It doesn't mean he's drawing on the dark side constantly, and if he is, it's only half of his reserves.

Kas'im and Bane were both dark siders, so the nexus would roughly cancel.

How's it ambiguous?

1. It shows that Plagueis and Sidious were a greater threat to the Force than Vitiate was.
2. It's something Vitiate certainly would've benefited from if he were capable of doing it.
3. It was done on their raw power, since they were just meditating and wrestling with it.
4. It's reasonable to conclude that doing this with the Force itself would require lots of power.

In the absence of all other evidence it would be reasonable to suggest that Yoda was below Plagueis for that reason. But he has stalemated Sidious, so we can't just ignore that.

By your logic, we should conclude that pre-Nathema Vitiate > novel Vitiate because the former's Nathema feat is more impressive than anything he does in the novel.

I'm referring to the scene prior to the fight during his mediation.

But if it amps individuals to the same degree Bane should have received more of a benefit... That's why I think the effect is additive rather then multiplicative.

1. That doesn't place Plagueis above Vitiate. It places Plagueis and Sidious at the time above him.
2. Fair enough. Read above.
3. Fair enough Refer to 1.
4. Fair enough refer to the last section on my last response. TLDR: It's unmeasurable and doesn't make sense given the demonstrated limits of the individuals in question.

Right so we know that the feat they accomplished is not indicative of power at the level implied and thus I am at a loss on how we should measure it.

Not at all. That feat is measurable. Plagueis's is not.

Originally posted by ILS
On the topic of Revan not being hindered by the nexus; him opening up both sides of the Force, logically, means that on a nexus his use of the Light side would be weakened and the Dark empowered. Also, I think I recall Ant pointing out evidence in the novel for the nexus hindering Revan (Revan felt weakened/clouded by the Dark Side's overwhelming presence, or something similar).

That's without mentioning that bringing the Force into perfect balance while using both the Light and Dark shits in the porridge of Star Wars' most fundamental themes and principles but, hey, Revan.

That was before he had regained the Revan mask and began utilizing the Darkside in conjunction with the Light IIRC.

And Drew. Because he's shit.

Vitiate wins without the blurb. Revan is better than Darth Plagueis without it too.

I'd love to see your comparison.

Woah now Ant. Plagueis was still >= TPM Sidious.

Wait... Oh god.

;-=-0

^niglet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctN5s8z3E8E&t=0m39s

:'(

Plagueis, lol.
We also have scaling from RotS Sidious, who sh!ts on Vitate.

Banite scaling + parity with TPM Sheev > Vitiate, yeah.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Banite scaling + parity with TPM Sheev > Vitiate, yeah.

So Elm, Did I forget something? Was Revan drugged in his fight with vitiate?

He was not.

Good to know even the best of the best can make a mistake from time to time...

I thought he would still be suffering from the symptoms since he had just been drugged not long before, but I forgot about his drug cleansing skill.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Vitiate shits on him completely.

Such and intelligent and well thought out post😂