A lot of people would argue that the Outlander is nearing Vader level, with the support of peeps like Nox, Thor, and Wrath who are arguably on the same level with lesser apprentices of Sheev. That could be a challenge for Sheev, not to mention 4 additional distractions to give the team a better chance. Sidious wins, but even if you don't place the protags as high, I doubt a non-ridiculous argument that places them MUCH lower can be made. I guess Sidious' speed can be a problem for them, but I don't see how this is a stomp otherwise.
^ Arcann's around Malgus' level, being more than capable of taking on the Hero as of SoR and HK-55. They had little chance of winning that alone. Afterwards, they just about matched him in strength (assuming the attuned lightsaber provided that buff in terms of story just as much as gameplay; otherwise, the Hero was irrevocably capable of besting him alone). So, you've got a Malgus-tier Force-user capable of blocking lightsabers and 7 other combatants. Let's examine their greatest collective feats: killing the Colossal (and maybe the Worldbreaker) Monolith and driving Revan out of the Temple of Sacrifice.
Half of the Force-users were hindered, and the other half was amped (due to Yavin's dark side Force nexus). They did require Revan's LS half's telekinetic aid to pursue Revan, but it's probably safe to say that they could've stalemated Revan without the HoT's help.
So, you've got a Malgus-tier combatant and a team that's roughly equal to SoR Revan. Power-wise, I estimate Malgus to be somewhere between Tyranus and Vader (a bit closer to Vader's side, of course). Vader felt confident he could take down Sidious with his son's help after an undisclosed amount of training. Probably a year or so. 2 Vaders would've been an outright threat to Sidious; that's why he prohibited Jerec from reading the Dark Side Compendium. If I had to bet, I'd say the Outlander could probably land at least a scathing blow or 2. The real question in the end is how many casualties the rest of the team suffers while the HoT inflicts them.
The rest of the team probably lasts as long as SoR Revan against Sidious, so you're basically pitting the equivalent of Revan and Arcann/Malgus against him, and the Outlander should be strong enough to kill him by the time their teammates expire (like a weaker Vader lashing out against Sidious while SoR Revan pins him down or keeps him occupied, since, as NFSs and weaker Force-sensitives, the rest of the team isn't quite capable of actively harming Darth Sidious).
Originally posted by Geistalt1) Arcann > Malgus definitely.
^ Arcann's around Malgus' level, being more than capable of taking on the Hero as of SoR and HK-55. They had little chance of winning that alone. Afterwards, they just about matched him in strength (assuming the attuned lightsaber provided that buff in terms of story just as much as gameplay; otherwise, the Hero was irrevocably capable of besting him alone). So, you've got a Malgus-tier Force-user capable of blocking lightsabers and 7 other combatants. Let's examine their greatest collective feats: killing the Colossal (and maybe the Worldbreaker) Monolith and driving Revan out of the Temple of Sacrifice.Half of the Force-users were hindered, and the other half was amped (due to Yavin's dark side Force nexus). They did require Revan's LS half's telekinetic aid to pursue Revan, but it's probably safe to say that they could've stalemated Revan without the HoT's help.
So, you've got a Malgus-tier combatant and a team that's roughly equal to SoR Revan. Power-wise, I estimate Malgus to be somewhere between Tyranus and Vader (a bit closer to Vader's side, of course). Vader felt confident he could take down Sidious with his son's help after an undisclosed amount of training. Probably a year or so. 2 Vaders would've been an outright threat to Sidious; that's why he prohibited Jerec from reading the Dark Side Compendium. If I had to bet, I'd say the Outlander could probably land at least a scathing blow or 2. The real question in the end is how many casualties the rest of the team suffers while the HoT inflicts them.
The rest of the team probably lasts as long as SoR Revan against Sidious, so you're basically pitting the equivalent of Revan and Arcann/Malgus against him, and the Outlander should be strong enough to kill him by the time their teammates expire (like a weaker Vader lashing out against Sidious while SoR Revan pins him down or keeps him occupied, since, as NFSs and weaker Force-sensitives, the rest of the team isn't quite capable of actively harming Darth Sidious).
2) Actually, it was pretty shocking to see Revan > all those characters combined. It's a feat that elevates Revan for sure, but I don't see how you can use it in favor of the protags.
3) Character opinions regarding themselves are not necessarily reliable. OT Sidious is on another level and I don't see ROTJ Luke(+1 year traning) + Vader defeating the Emperor by showings.
4) Like I said, if one places the Outlander near Vader, and the rest anywhere around Dooku-Maul, then with 4 additional distractions, the team might have a chance if you believe that numbers are of high significance within Star Wars. Most would disagree.
Probably the Protags. This is way too many hyper strong opponents with numerous strong abilities. Geistalt and Sinious have made some great points.
The Outlander and the Wrath can hold him off in sabers with the help of the others dogpiling him with ranged attacks and other tricks and abilities. Then it's just a case of overwhelming him with attacks and co-ordination.
Originally posted by Petrus
I actually agree with Neph on this. Underestimating the Protags way too much here.
How are they taking down a walking dark side nexus whose existence threatens the balance of the Force, who can bend lightsaber blades with his lightning, tank Galen's suicide blast at point blank range, and TP billions of people simultaneously? What are they going to do to him?
Originally posted by The EllimistWhen you put it that way 🙂
How are they taking down a walking dark side nexus whose existence threatens the balance of the Force, who can bend lightsaber blades with his lightning, tank Galen's suicide blast at point blank range, and TP billions of people simultaneously? What are they going to do to him?